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Two Tier’s days are numbered

657 replies

Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

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ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 12:39

Boilingfrogatprimaryschool · 02/07/2025 12:23

So currently there are flexible tenancies but since we now have a Labour Government, along with the lovely Labour Mayor, these now don't work and there is a need to give them away, for ever, in the hope the grateful occupants will vote Labour in any and all elections out of gratitude.

Didn't you read the article? It says,

According to the council only two out of the 2,500 flexible tenancies in Westminster have not been renewed meaning the switch will make virtually no difference to housing stock.

So what is the point offering less security of tenure just so you can spend money periodically reviewing tenancies that don't change anyway? Time and expense for nothing. In any case, if/when the Renter's Rights bill is enacted, the tenancies would have to revert because the bill seeks to outlaw ASTs in favour of periodic tenancies.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 12:42

Whatafustercluck · 02/07/2025 12:34

Riiiiight 🤔

Yes right. You think Labour’s lines don’t make it on here. Why?

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 12:43

TallestSkyscrapers · 02/07/2025 12:28

I am talking about here. Accusations of bots abound. Before the last election, people supporting the Tories were accused of being bots trying to drum up support for the conservatives. And here we have the accusations again. I find it boring and pointless.

So was it me who made the allegations you took exception to? Am I supposed to scour the board to see if anyone's ever had the same opinion so I can avoid upsetting you by repeating it?

In any case, if you really can't identify the shill and bot posts on here, if you think every post is completely genuine and typed by human hand, I've got news for you.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 12:46

Boilingfrogatprimaryschool · 02/07/2025 12:23

So currently there are flexible tenancies but since we now have a Labour Government, along with the lovely Labour Mayor, these now don't work and there is a need to give them away, for ever, in the hope the grateful occupants will vote Labour in any and all elections out of gratitude.

It’s got nothing to do with the government or the mayor. It’s a decision independently made by the democratically elected Westminster Council. Did you even bother to read the article?

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 12:51

What a sourpuss McDonnell is. Still smarting from not being chancellor.

TheEveningReport · 02/07/2025 12:52

I’m a Labour supporter and I’m disappointed. But there is no one else credible or who aligns with my values. The political class today is so, so poor. I’ve gone from highly motivated and engaged in politics to being totally apathetic and disinterested.

Bluebellwood129 · 02/07/2025 12:55

Drama indeed. The government is in total disarray, whether Labour supporters choose to acknowledge that or not. Starmer is running scared of Reform and has just faced the worst rebellion of his premiership.

Fringle · 02/07/2025 12:55

Slightyamusedandsilly · 02/07/2025 12:25

Surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre. The bloke has a brain for one. Two, he isn't robbing the coffers. Three, he's not doing illegal things. Four, he hasn't crashed the economy.

Try harder @Fringle

He isn’t very smart. In fact he appears to be both talentless and spineless. Plus he’s a hypocrite.

No UK government I’m aware of has ever “robbed the coffers” for personal gain. (How’s the ‘Corruption Tsar’ getting on? That was a dishonest gimmick and some.)

What are these illegal things that others have done and he hasn’t?

He is crashing the economy. And he’s doing so in a way that’s very difficult to repair.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 12:56

Bluebellwood129 · 02/07/2025 12:55

Drama indeed. The government is in total disarray, whether Labour supporters choose to acknowledge that or not. Starmer is running scared of Reform and has just faced the worst rebellion of his premiership.

A crying Chancellor. Plenty of drama.

Bluebellwood129 · 02/07/2025 12:57

Fringle · 02/07/2025 12:55

He isn’t very smart. In fact he appears to be both talentless and spineless. Plus he’s a hypocrite.

No UK government I’m aware of has ever “robbed the coffers” for personal gain. (How’s the ‘Corruption Tsar’ getting on? That was a dishonest gimmick and some.)

What are these illegal things that others have done and he hasn’t?

He is crashing the economy. And he’s doing so in a way that’s very difficult to repair.

To be fair, it was Rachel Reeves that 'crashed the economy'. In fact, destroyed it completely. Starmer is to blame for not getting rid of her.

Parker231 · 02/07/2025 12:58

Boilingfrogatprimaryschool · 02/07/2025 11:50

You need to add on the Blair/Brown years. We have had 28 years of left-of-centre politics. Cameron et al just followed on the policies of Blair, New Labour was small 'c' conservative.

We are now swinging wildly to the left at a time when he country is broke and the World is in turmoil, all while other counties are swinging wildly to the right. Reform are no more experienced than any of the others but voting for more of the same would be madness as recovery can't even begin until the woke-lefies are gone, from all parties. We need to stop with the #BeNice and #checkyourprivilege brigade trumping the cold hard facts that we are overwhelmed with non-contributors and broke.
Perhaps the Tories will grow a pair before the next election, one can but hope...

I'd actually prefer to leave... which I would do if education and elderly in-laws weren't an immediate issue. I love this country. I'm as British as it is possible to be. I love its climate, its language, its values and humour! I'm willing to stay and hope for the best but I'm also old enough to not be affected long term by who gets in. They are faced with an impossible task as the country has changed so much.

As you say it is going to take decades to undo the last 28 years of destruction, It usually takes longer to undo than it did to implement and I'll be gaga or dead by then. I can wait 10 years, see which way the wind blows, and when in-laws and education won't be an issue. I have my escape plan. My DC will be able to live and work abroad - it is all planned out.

What will you do?

I’m not British although lived in London for the majority of my life. We moved to Canada a couple of years ago - DH is French Canadian.
DT’s have graduated from Unis in the UK and one now works in Brussels and the other in Amsterdam.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 12:59

What are these illegal things that others have done and he hasn’t?

Well there was proroguing parliament for a start. And lying to the Queen to do it …

Grammarnut · 02/07/2025 13:00

NeelyOHara · 02/07/2025 06:39

If Kier goes we will get Angela Raynor, then we are completely fucked. I think Kier is by far the better option.

I doubt we will get Angela Raynor - Labour are not into women leaders. One can but hope, I suppose.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 13:01

Grammarnut · 02/07/2025 13:00

I doubt we will get Angela Raynor - Labour are not into women leaders. One can but hope, I suppose.

I hope if we do people will finally learn to spell her name. It must drive her mad.

Boilingfrogatprimaryschool · 02/07/2025 13:06

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 12:39

Didn't you read the article? It says,

According to the council only two out of the 2,500 flexible tenancies in Westminster have not been renewed meaning the switch will make virtually no difference to housing stock.

So what is the point offering less security of tenure just so you can spend money periodically reviewing tenancies that don't change anyway? Time and expense for nothing. In any case, if/when the Renter's Rights bill is enacted, the tenancies would have to revert because the bill seeks to outlaw ASTs in favour of periodic tenancies.

You mean the article written by the (since 2022) Labour council of Westminster. In 2013 we had a Tory Westminster council, a Tory Mayor and a Tory Government. We now have a Labour hat trick.

My point stands.

Keeping homes available for those in need, who then move on when they are self sufficient, and pass those properties on to others in need works for a Tory government but doesn't 'work' for a Labour government.

LBFseBrom · 02/07/2025 13:09

NeelyOHara · 02/07/2025 06:39

If Kier goes we will get Angela Raynor, then we are completely fucked. I think Kier is by far the better option.

I quite agree.

Things aren't all bad, the economy is gradually recovering. Most of us are OK.

We've weathered worse than this in the past.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 13:10

Boilingfrogatprimaryschool · 02/07/2025 13:06

You mean the article written by the (since 2022) Labour council of Westminster. In 2013 we had a Tory Westminster council, a Tory Mayor and a Tory Government. We now have a Labour hat trick.

My point stands.

Keeping homes available for those in need, who then move on when they are self sufficient, and pass those properties on to others in need works for a Tory government but doesn't 'work' for a Labour government.

I have three words for you. Dame Shirley Porter. You probably don’t remember - too young, I guess.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 13:10

Bluebellwood129 · 02/07/2025 12:57

To be fair, it was Rachel Reeves that 'crashed the economy'. In fact, destroyed it completely. Starmer is to blame for not getting rid of her.

Oh no the economy is destroyed? Do I need to get to the cash point? Stock up on bottled water and toilet rolls? Why did nobody tell me!

Bluebellwood129 · 02/07/2025 13:12

LBFseBrom · 02/07/2025 13:09

I quite agree.

Things aren't all bad, the economy is gradually recovering. Most of us are OK.

We've weathered worse than this in the past.

The economy is not recovering.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 13:12

Boilingfrogatprimaryschool · 02/07/2025 13:06

You mean the article written by the (since 2022) Labour council of Westminster. In 2013 we had a Tory Westminster council, a Tory Mayor and a Tory Government. We now have a Labour hat trick.

My point stands.

Keeping homes available for those in need, who then move on when they are self sufficient, and pass those properties on to others in need works for a Tory government but doesn't 'work' for a Labour government.

Your point appeared to be that flexible tenancies were abolished in Westminster because of some odd Labour spite. I'm pointing out to you, as have others, that they were tried, found ineffective and changed back. Not sure why you're on about the political makeup of Westminster or the country. Just reminding yourself is it?

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 13:14

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 13:10

I have three words for you. Dame Shirley Porter. You probably don’t remember - too young, I guess.

I mean the Tory party since 1979 has manipulated housing for political ends. Strange to see people claim they're guileless and just want the best for tenants, isn't it?

Dahliasrule · 02/07/2025 13:17

Nagginthenag · 02/07/2025 07:10

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/06/16/reform-uk-councillors-nigel-farage-chaos/

Oh, I don't know......maybe have a read over your morning cuppa. Our council is mentioned in the article. Absolutely true.

Edited

This article didn’t mention Lincolnshire’s Reform council abolishing the flood prevention committee - for a county under considerable threat from flooding.

Fringle · 02/07/2025 13:17

LBFseBrom · 02/07/2025 13:09

I quite agree.

Things aren't all bad, the economy is gradually recovering. Most of us are OK.

We've weathered worse than this in the past.

“…the economy is gradually recovering.”

Outstanding satire. 👏

Shakeoffyourchains · 02/07/2025 13:20

Fringle · 02/07/2025 12:55

He isn’t very smart. In fact he appears to be both talentless and spineless. Plus he’s a hypocrite.

No UK government I’m aware of has ever “robbed the coffers” for personal gain. (How’s the ‘Corruption Tsar’ getting on? That was a dishonest gimmick and some.)

What are these illegal things that others have done and he hasn’t?

He is crashing the economy. And he’s doing so in a way that’s very difficult to repair.

No UK government I’m aware of has ever “robbed the coffers” for personal gain.

Really? I mean you don't have to even look too hard for examples of it. Sunak and Infosys, Mone and PPE Medpro, Hancock and Topwood, Patterson and Randox, Rees-Mog and Somerset Capital Management, etc. But I'm sure the fact all those sitting MPs personal bank accounts benefiting directly from government contracts is pure coincidence.

But anyway, there is some good news at least. While the press (for totally unbiased and definitely not self-serving reasons) are doing everything they can to stoke division and build the cult of Farage,
the polls still show traditional left-leaning parties holding a solid lead over the right.

Labour won’t win outright next term, but a left-leaning coalition should keep Reform's lunacy away from us for another term at least. I am looking forward to the inevitable meltdown from the right-whinge snowflakes when it happens though.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 13:22

Fringle · 02/07/2025 13:17

“…the economy is gradually recovering.”

Outstanding satire. 👏

Reeves was crying happy tears.