Two Tier’s days are numbered

[Jennps]

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

So you don't think proposing a wealth tax is just a teeny-weeny bit leftie then?

It’s hardly Marxist. It’s high time we started taxing wealth as well as income.

Of course I don't. 🙄 I'm saying there's quite a lot of people parroting headlines without applying much critical thinking.

I called this when the last GE was held.
People did not so much vote for Labour but were voting to remove the Conservatives from office with the anything must be better than this lot mindset.

Unfortunately, where the world is at the moment, the UK needs a strong government. One that is not frightened to take difficult decisions and handle the consequences accordingly. Turns out Labour is not that party but the real question is what can we the people do about it? The rich people do not care, they have the means to leave the UK at any time.

We do not want either big party, we don't want extreme parties, we tried a coalition and it did not work well. People have taken to the streets before but that ended with Government ignoring people (Iraq war protests) or using force to disperse the supporters (kettling during student fee protests). Voter apathy is at an all time high and if continues into the next GE there is a strong possibility that Reform could end up in Government.

We are acutely aware of the problems but what is the solution?

Labour do this all the time. You likely just agree.

Tenancies in social housing have always been lifelong. Secure tenancies, occasionally with probation periods, mean just that. Eviction only occurs due to large rent arrears, or issues like serious anti social behaviour.

Time for two tier to move over for Nige.

It's not the case. If that is the case why have Westminster just announced they will be doing this?

The solution is going to be imposed by financial markets. The gilt rate is going keep going up imo unless the UK can show it has measure (or tax income) to manage public spending.

We spend 109 billion each year on debt repayment. This bill yesterday might have saved 5 billion. We have to pay back all that spending from COVID and maintain services. We need capital investment like crazy. But we also need to look at what the state does.

It’s not even a left or right issue imo; what do we expect? What are the UK’s priorities now? Muddling through is okay when you aren’t broke. But we are.

It’s all explained here. Westminster council moved to “flexible” tenancies in 2013. It hasn’t worked so it’s returning to its previous system.

https://fitzrovianews.com/2025/06/07/westminster-council-gives-lifetime-tenancies-to-all-its-social-housing-residents/

@Jennps Hi, You really dislike him and most politicians almost equally don't you?
Your premise is that he will be gone in 12 months. We need to face the fact that with that sized majority they will run full time or close to it if it suits them.

Who do you think will replace him? Would you expect it to be someone from the Left, supported by Trade Unions? Or a Blairite kind of middle of the road person supported by the 'sensibles'?
Call up someone not currently in Parliament such as Andy Burnham might Labour Revive the idea of David Miliband. Safe seats would need to be found for either or both.

TBH, I'm not paying a lot of attention. It isn't as high drama and beyond belief shit as the Tories were so it's nice to be able to zone out of politics for a bit.

So I guess my answer is that they are definitely better than the shit show the Tories made of it.

Never. Gonna. Happen.

And if it did, he'd be a Liz Truss level incompetent fly-by-night. He's only good for rabble rousing. Not for actual work.

So currently there are flexible tenancies but since we now have a Labour Government, along with the lovely Labour Mayor, these now don't work and there is a need to give them away, for ever, in the hope the grateful occupants will vote Labour in any and all elections out of gratitude.

Surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre. The bloke has a brain for one. Two, he isn't robbing the coffers. Three, he's not doing illegal things. Four, he hasn't crashed the economy.

Try harder @Fringle

There’s drama even if people zone out.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/02/labour-government-welfare-bill-democracy-party-election-john-mcdonnell

How about "Never here Kier" ...better now dear? Thick enuff for u?

Given he prefers Davos, I wish he'd piss off out of our country and mess up someone else's.
He's just angling for a position on the international stage. He cares nothing for the UK, he prefers to be elsewhere.

Lies and obfuscation will define his term. And suppression of the press re the rent boys...firebombing his home and cars....doh!

Not one of the front bench have a clue how to run a country and business.
You'd think after 17 years in opposition they'd at least have an outline plan.

Too busy appeasing their backbenchers to save the country from bankruptcy.

Yeah, Labour are just a bunch of misfit, 6th form politicians! They are totally out of their depth- I have severe second hand embarrassment for most of them (Rosie Duffield aside).
Keir is a wimp, he has no clout. Plus I think he sees issues from a very niche perspective- he's clearly over-privileged despite his much-vaunted, tool-making father.
He's made me suspect that human rights lawyers are those of the profession that are a bit shit!!

I am talking about here. Accusations of bots abound. Before the last election, people supporting the Tories were accused of being bots trying to drum up support for the conservatives. And here we have the accusations again. I find it boring and pointless.

I'm assuming you've been out of the UK for the last 10 years.

Did you miss Boris and his side kick Cummings?
Did you miss Truss and Kwarteng?

"Swinging wildly to the left" - LOL at the hyperbole. We've got a centre right government. What's even one 'wild left' policy of theirs?

Wishful thinking.

Interesting that you lay the blame at both Labour and the Tories' door.

You are spitting bile. If you don't like Britain, please leave. We don't need your spiteful opinions.

Riiiiight 🤔

Let’s give it more than a week before calling for collapse. The situation is tough, yes but judging a new government before it’s even had a chance to act seems premature. Real change takes time.

Which is one why reason why Owen Jones and Ash Sarker turned their backs on Starmer. No loss to him; those two aren't the most credible of allies.