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Two Tier’s days are numbered

657 replies

Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

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Slightyamusedandsilly · 02/07/2025 11:47

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 11:44

Labour supporters really can’t see the policies from Labour and their impact.

I've got a few words for you. Boris Johnson. Dominic Cummings. Liz Truss.

Tell us again how crap Labour are?

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 11:47

TallestSkyscrapers · 02/07/2025 11:22

I hate it when people talk about bots and shills. It happens on every side. During the vat on school fees discussions, people who disagreed, were accused of being Tory bots. It is all so tiresome.

So every time I see - anywhere on social media, not just on here - the exact same phrases being used, often finished with the capitalised enjoinder to "VOTE REFORM!!!" it's pure coincidence is it?

Right you are. Sounds plausible.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 11:48

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 11:43

Where does the economy typically end up as Labour are voted out? In the 70s and last time

Do you want a swing further to the left? If so do you think we’ll last economically with that

There’s a lovely little bar chart I’ve just posted that answers your question.

Fringle · 02/07/2025 11:48

Slightyamusedandsilly · 02/07/2025 11:47

I've got a few words for you. Boris Johnson. Dominic Cummings. Liz Truss.

Tell us again how crap Labour are?

Crapper than any of them.

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 11:48

@EasternStandard

"Labour supporters really can’t see the policies from Labour and their impact."

Maybe like you can't see the impact on public health and productivity of 15 years of ideologically driven Tory austerity.

bombastix · 02/07/2025 11:48

PrissyGalore · 02/07/2025 11:46

I agree with the housing cost comments. I grew up on a council estate. We had secure low cost housing which was spacious and well planned. Hell, it was even decided that even pretty villages needed council housing too-that working class people could live somewhere nice. Council housing was designed to be mixed-not just for the poorest. And it was reasonable. Imagine how much more growth and how more productive our country would be if people didn’t need such vast amounts to service somewhere to live. And how much happier we would be.

I think property is a massive issue. It now absorbs a huge percentage of wages for the younger working population.

I hate how our society has become structured to favour the rich and the old. It is incredibly parasitic in terms of supporting asset prices. Young people are saddled with debt. We are failing them in the UK. We must change it or we will be a stagnant economy and a very divided society.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 11:49

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 11:29

The Labour have form for crashing the economy without exception, why are you resorting to lying?

When?

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 11:50

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 11:45

@Blossomtoes

"They had overspent so much the last time that Labour were in government we had no resilience when the financial crash happened. Are you forgetting the multiple recessions they have caused? Sadly you have another front row seat this year to look forward to a rerun."

That's a lie.

Economies around the world were devastated by the financial crash. In 1997 Labour inherited a big budget deficit. Within a decade they'd reduced both the structural budget deficit and the debt burden.

You’ve quoted the wrong poster, mate. I agree with you.

Boilingfrogatprimaryschool · 02/07/2025 11:50

Parker231 · 02/07/2025 10:44

We gave the Tories 14 years and they damaged the country from which it’s unlikely to recover for decades.
Who would you prefer - Reform

You need to add on the Blair/Brown years. We have had 28 years of left-of-centre politics. Cameron et al just followed on the policies of Blair, New Labour was small 'c' conservative.

We are now swinging wildly to the left at a time when he country is broke and the World is in turmoil, all while other counties are swinging wildly to the right. Reform are no more experienced than any of the others but voting for more of the same would be madness as recovery can't even begin until the woke-lefies are gone, from all parties. We need to stop with the #BeNice and #checkyourprivilege brigade trumping the cold hard facts that we are overwhelmed with non-contributors and broke.
Perhaps the Tories will grow a pair before the next election, one can but hope...

I'd actually prefer to leave... which I would do if education and elderly in-laws weren't an immediate issue. I love this country. I'm as British as it is possible to be. I love its climate, its language, its values and humour! I'm willing to stay and hope for the best but I'm also old enough to not be affected long term by who gets in. They are faced with an impossible task as the country has changed so much.

As you say it is going to take decades to undo the last 28 years of destruction, It usually takes longer to undo than it did to implement and I'll be gaga or dead by then. I can wait 10 years, see which way the wind blows, and when in-laws and education won't be an issue. I have my escape plan. My DC will be able to live and work abroad - it is all planned out.

What will you do?

Chintzcardboard · 02/07/2025 11:51

individuals should forget “party” and vote for
the candidate/party that will benefit them & UK

Do the research, consider other parties

Blindly voting party based on “we vote this” or on emotion, or stereotypes of who votes x or y is foolish.

It’s comparable to “I only shop at Tesco” out of loyalty even if under new ownership their food is inferior, overpriced and leaves you hungry.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 11:52

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 11:48

@EasternStandard

"Labour supporters really can’t see the policies from Labour and their impact."

Maybe like you can't see the impact on public health and productivity of 15 years of ideologically driven Tory austerity.

You can’t keep referring back to avoid looking at the party in power which is Labour and what they’re getting wrong.

Outside that my question was more do you want to shift further left? I’m wondering how you see that working

PandoraSocks · 02/07/2025 11:52

We are now swinging wildly to the left

🤣🤣🤣

I wish @Boilingfrogatprimaryschool

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 11:52

We are now swinging wildly to the left

We’re not. This government is probably a bit to the right of Major’s. It’s Tory a little bit lite.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 11:52

Boilingfrogatprimaryschool · 02/07/2025 11:50

You need to add on the Blair/Brown years. We have had 28 years of left-of-centre politics. Cameron et al just followed on the policies of Blair, New Labour was small 'c' conservative.

We are now swinging wildly to the left at a time when he country is broke and the World is in turmoil, all while other counties are swinging wildly to the right. Reform are no more experienced than any of the others but voting for more of the same would be madness as recovery can't even begin until the woke-lefies are gone, from all parties. We need to stop with the #BeNice and #checkyourprivilege brigade trumping the cold hard facts that we are overwhelmed with non-contributors and broke.
Perhaps the Tories will grow a pair before the next election, one can but hope...

I'd actually prefer to leave... which I would do if education and elderly in-laws weren't an immediate issue. I love this country. I'm as British as it is possible to be. I love its climate, its language, its values and humour! I'm willing to stay and hope for the best but I'm also old enough to not be affected long term by who gets in. They are faced with an impossible task as the country has changed so much.

As you say it is going to take decades to undo the last 28 years of destruction, It usually takes longer to undo than it did to implement and I'll be gaga or dead by then. I can wait 10 years, see which way the wind blows, and when in-laws and education won't be an issue. I have my escape plan. My DC will be able to live and work abroad - it is all planned out.

What will you do?

We aren't "swinging wildly to the left" in any sense.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 11:53

Slightyamusedandsilly · 02/07/2025 11:47

I've got a few words for you. Boris Johnson. Dominic Cummings. Liz Truss.

Tell us again how crap Labour are?

So you think Labour are doing well then?

Seymour5 · 02/07/2025 11:53

PrissyGalore · 02/07/2025 11:46

I agree with the housing cost comments. I grew up on a council estate. We had secure low cost housing which was spacious and well planned. Hell, it was even decided that even pretty villages needed council housing too-that working class people could live somewhere nice. Council housing was designed to be mixed-not just for the poorest. And it was reasonable. Imagine how much more growth and how more productive our country would be if people didn’t need such vast amounts to service somewhere to live. And how much happier we would be.

The better off tenants on the nicest estates jumped at the chance to bag a bargain! I do not understand why the Right to Buy still exists in England. At least Scotland and Wales have had the sense to stop it.

bombastix · 02/07/2025 11:54

Wildly to the left indeed; yesterday saw Jeremy Corbyn and Nigel Farage voting to the same end. No such thing.

Boilingfrogatprimaryschool · 02/07/2025 11:54

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 11:52

We aren't "swinging wildly to the left" in any sense.

I'd call Marxist policies pretty left

Whatafustercluck · 02/07/2025 11:54

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 08:45

So you don't believe anybody can have a different opinion to you. Yes, sounds about right.

Um, no.

The tonal similarities between the op and this opinion piece, written by Chris Mason (from the supposedly apolitical, unbiased BBC) are striking. Having a different opinion is fine, as long as you're not a reporter writing a heavily biased political opinion piece for an 'apolitical' news organisation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czry6gv80mjo

Sir Keir Starmer is pictured in a close-up with a backdrop of trees blurred out.

Humiliation for Starmer as he loses control of Commons

The BBC's political editor Chris Mason and chief political correspondent Henry Zeffman on the welfare bill.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czry6gv80mjo

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 11:55

Boilingfrogatprimaryschool · 02/07/2025 11:54

I'd call Marxist policies pretty left

So would I but that’s a million miles away from this government.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 11:55

Whatafustercluck · 02/07/2025 11:54

Um, no.

The tonal similarities between the op and this opinion piece, written by Chris Mason (from the supposedly apolitical, unbiased BBC) are striking. Having a different opinion is fine, as long as you're not a reporter writing a heavily biased political opinion piece for an 'apolitical' news organisation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czry6gv80mjo

You actually think the op is Chris Mason?

Whatafustercluck · 02/07/2025 11:56

AnonymousBleep · 02/07/2025 09:32

What makes you think specifically Chris Mason?

I had just read his opinion piece on the BBC website.

Tangfastic71 · 02/07/2025 11:56

@DorothyandtheWizard
“There is not one member of the cabinet that has had a proper job”

Thats not really a statement based on any truth.

Keir Starmer – Prime Minister

  • Director of Public Prosecutions
  • Human rights barrister
  • Adviser on policing in Northern Ireland
Rachel Reeves – Chancellor of the Exchequer
  • Bank of England economist
  • Economist at the British Embassy in Washington DC
  • HBOS
  • Bank of America Merrill Lynch
Angela Rayner – Deputy PM & Levelling Up Secretary
  • Trade union representative (UNISON)
  • Care worker
  • Community education background
David Lammy – Foreign Secretary
  • Barrister
  • Lecturer in law
  • Specialist in constitutional and civil rights law
Yvette Cooper – Home Secretary
  • Treasury economist
  • Adviser to former Chancellor Gordon Brown
  • Former Chief Secretary to the Treasury
Jonathan Reynolds – Business & Trade Secretary
  • Corporate solicitor
  • Former Shadow City Minister
  • Campaigner for UK steel and fair working practices
Bridget Phillipson – Education Secretary
  • Director of a women's refuge
  • Policy researcher
  • Advocate for early-years education
Louise Haigh – Transport Secretary
  • Metropolitan Police special constable
Shabana Mahmood – Justice Secretary & Lord Chancellor
  • Commercial barrister
  • Specialised in professional indemnity law
  • Shadow Treasury and legal affairs roles
Peter Kyle – Science, Innovation & Technology Secretary
  • CEO of youth charity
  • Expert in digital inclusion and innovation policy
  • Former Shadow Education Secretary
Nick Thomas‑Symonds – Minister for EU Relations / Cabinet Office
  • Commercial barrister
  • Author and historian
  • Former Shadow International Trade Secretary
Sir Patrick Vallance – Science Minister (non-MP)
  • President of R&D at GlaxoSmithKline
  • Professor of medicine and biotech specialist
Jacqui Smith – Skills Minister (Baroness)
  • Secondary school teacher
  • Former Home Secretary (2007–2009)
  • Specialist in further education reform
James Timpson – Minister for Prisons, Parole & Probation
  • CEO of Timpson Group
  • Pioneer in hiring ex-offenders
  • Advocate for rehabilitation-based justice reform
Maria Eagle – Minister for Defence Procurement
  • Solicitor
Boilingfrogatprimaryschool · 02/07/2025 11:56

Seymour5 · 02/07/2025 11:53

The better off tenants on the nicest estates jumped at the chance to bag a bargain! I do not understand why the Right to Buy still exists in England. At least Scotland and Wales have had the sense to stop it.

It is being replaced by lifelong tenancies. Westminster is giving prime London flats to those at the top of the list. They will never be asked to leave, even if they then secure jobs paying well in excess of the national/London average. The likelihood is these tenancies will be passed down the generations.
Who needs right to buy? You'd have to maintain it yourself then.

Kelticgold · 02/07/2025 11:57

User135644 · 02/07/2025 09:08

Fuck the ECHR and the criminals they protect.

Are you disappointed you can’t beat your children?

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