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Two Tier’s days are numbered

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Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

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Viviennemary · 02/07/2025 11:26

PulchritudinousLycanthrope · 02/07/2025 09:29

Are you calling us rabble?

Yes. They are a rabble. Fighting like cats in a sack. Nothing gets done.,

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 11:26

SarfLondonLad · 02/07/2025 11:24

Nice try Kemi.

Would you say it’s going well for Starmer?

TallestSkyscrapers · 02/07/2025 11:27

Jennps · 02/07/2025 10:29

The rot started in 1997 when nu Labour got in. They opened the borders and killed off what was left of industry as well as dumbing down education. Not single decision that stood the test of time.
Start of uncontrolled mass immigration, devaluing degrees and graduate wages forcing everyone into university for pointless degrees, wage suppression through creating a massive welfare handout state by subsidizing low wages with tax credits, selling off the nation’s gold before gold prices sky rocketed, and just to top it off, destabilising the Iraq and Syria and engaging in war crimes.

Then came ‘Call me Dave’, a guy you would lot pay to clean out your shed, let alone run the country. Didn’t make a single good decision to grow the country.

‘Maybot’ took it up a notch by making a hash of Brexit over 3 long years and as if that wasn’t enough, wrote net 0 into legislation without any debate, condemning the country to permanent extortionate energy prices and killing off what left of manufacturing industry including steel.

Johnson was an absolute unmitigated disaster, letting in a million people a year, mostly unskilled migrants who are not even net contributors. Not to mention rampant corruption and stealing taxes to give to his Covid cronies. Two decades of shit leadership had finally taken its toll and.

Truss, the woman who was right about supply side reforms but had no clue how to make it happen. Through her incompetence, she even killed the credibility of the idea even though supply side reforms are exactly what this country needs to growth.

Rishi was frankly pointless. Having borrowed and printed a trillion pounds to pay for Covid corruption, leaving the country with nearly 20% inflation, he decided to bullshit his way through the next 2 years.

And now we have Two Tier. A man, who if x rayed, would turn out to be missing a spine. Who lives by the values of ‘if you don’t like my principles, I have these other ones’. Flanked by an entourage of comedians:

Rachel from accounts, who, when she’s not plagiarizing other people’s work or lying on her cv, is being accused of fiddling expenses at her previous employer and bunking off work. That’s who we have in charge of the nations finances.

Angela ‘I’d rather be scrapping outside the pub’ Rayner showing that no bar is low enough if you want to be in government.

David Lamey whose single brain cell is so lonely, it needs therapy.

Bridget Phillipson, a face that only a mother could employ. That, too, in a charity run by said parent. And this is who is in charge of educating the next generation.

Jonathan Reynolds, another alumni from ‘Rachel from accounts’ school of liars. He lied about having been a lawyer.

Yvette Cooper, like Diane Abbott when she was the shadow Home Secretary, with a minor saving grace that she can put her shoes on the right way around.

Louise ‘phones4me’ Haigh, running transport until someone realized that giving someone like that a portfolio with billions might look bad.

Red Miliband, who is killing off industry and letting every costs run away even more, so that his ‘green’ cronies can cash in.

Lucy ‘oi you’re racist’ Powell. Don’t mention grooming gangs at all in front of our enlightened culture secretary. She will call you a racist. She thinks calling out rape is dog whistle politics.

Lord Hermer, who as, attorney general, makes it his life’s mission to fight for terrorists to make sure that they can never be deported. Loves uncontrolled immigration. And generally doesn’t give two hoots about about anything other than protecting wrong ‘uns.

Basically this cohort of morons has been destroying this country for 27 years. This government, though, gives the term ‘shower of shite’ a whole new meaning.

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what job do you do out of interest?

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 11:27

@Soulfulunfurling

"The same could have been said for Labour but they are too badly infected by the far loony left for anyone to get anything done."

'Loony left'?

Put down your copy of the Telegraph mate.

By and large the economy has grown more under Labour over the past 30 years than it has under Conservatives, and public services have functioned better too.

It was Thatcher that sowed the seeds for so many of our current social problems, particularly housing.

In 1970 30% of the UK lived in council housing. If that figure was the same now, people in the bottom 3 deciles of the income distribution range would have vastly more disposable income, and local authority finances wouldn't be in a perpetual crisis as the result of having to subsidise low paid people's high housing costs in private rentals.

You neo-liberals caused this crisis. Stop whining about the left.

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 11:29

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 11:27

@Soulfulunfurling

"The same could have been said for Labour but they are too badly infected by the far loony left for anyone to get anything done."

'Loony left'?

Put down your copy of the Telegraph mate.

By and large the economy has grown more under Labour over the past 30 years than it has under Conservatives, and public services have functioned better too.

It was Thatcher that sowed the seeds for so many of our current social problems, particularly housing.

In 1970 30% of the UK lived in council housing. If that figure was the same now, people in the bottom 3 deciles of the income distribution range would have vastly more disposable income, and local authority finances wouldn't be in a perpetual crisis as the result of having to subsidise low paid people's high housing costs in private rentals.

You neo-liberals caused this crisis. Stop whining about the left.

The Labour have form for crashing the economy without exception, why are you resorting to lying?

lifeonmars100 · 02/07/2025 11:30

I am profoundly disapointed with Labour and especially with Starmer . I would never vote Tory and they too had a large number of wholly inadequate MPs, Nadine Dorries, Jonathan Gullis, Lee "turncoat" Anderson, Michael Fabricant are just a few who spring to mind. And don't get me started on the corruption and chaos of Johnson's tenure at No 10. Oh and what about Liz Truss and her 49 days of damage? The thought of Farage in Downing Street is the stuff of nightmares, his skill base is being able to tune into the helpless and hopeless feeling that is so prevalent in the country so he can twist it and exploit his way to power. I think Starmer will be gone before Labour have done a full term but what happens than is anyone's guess.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 11:31

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 11:27

@Soulfulunfurling

"The same could have been said for Labour but they are too badly infected by the far loony left for anyone to get anything done."

'Loony left'?

Put down your copy of the Telegraph mate.

By and large the economy has grown more under Labour over the past 30 years than it has under Conservatives, and public services have functioned better too.

It was Thatcher that sowed the seeds for so many of our current social problems, particularly housing.

In 1970 30% of the UK lived in council housing. If that figure was the same now, people in the bottom 3 deciles of the income distribution range would have vastly more disposable income, and local authority finances wouldn't be in a perpetual crisis as the result of having to subsidise low paid people's high housing costs in private rentals.

You neo-liberals caused this crisis. Stop whining about the left.

Is that what you’re after a gov further to the left?

And you think it’ll last economically

TallestSkyscrapers · 02/07/2025 11:32

I know it’s irrational and probably unimportant, but I would make it illegal
to refer to politicians by their first names. It makes me cringe so much. These are not my friends and I am not on first name terms with them.

SatsumaDog · 02/07/2025 11:34

NeelyOHara · 02/07/2025 06:39

If Kier goes we will get Angela Raynor, then we are completely fucked. I think Kier is by far the better option.

This is my fear. I can’t stand Starmer, but the alternative is terrifying.

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 11:34

Buckle up for the winter folks.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 11:35

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 11:29

The Labour have form for crashing the economy without exception, why are you resorting to lying?

Why are you? The last time the economy crashed under a Labour government was when every economy in the world did the same simultaneously.

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 11:37

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 11:35

Why are you? The last time the economy crashed under a Labour government was when every economy in the world did the same simultaneously.

They had overspent so much the last time that Labour were in government we had no resilience when the financial crash happened. Are you forgetting the multiple recessions they have caused? Sadly you have another front row seat this year to look forward to a rerun.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 02/07/2025 11:38

NeelyOHara · 02/07/2025 06:39

If Kier goes we will get Angela Raynor, then we are completely fucked. I think Kier is by far the better option.

I'm not a huge fan of him, but he's steady, stable and competent. The only leader that fits that criteria we've had for years.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 11:38

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 11:37

They had overspent so much the last time that Labour were in government we had no resilience when the financial crash happened. Are you forgetting the multiple recessions they have caused? Sadly you have another front row seat this year to look forward to a rerun.

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Labour supporters probably will say it’s not happening.

Agree on no resilience plus over exposure to risk for last crash.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 11:40

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 11:37

They had overspent so much the last time that Labour were in government we had no resilience when the financial crash happened. Are you forgetting the multiple recessions they have caused? Sadly you have another front row seat this year to look forward to a rerun.

Edited

They hadn’t. Look what happened when Cameron came to power.

Two Tier’s days are numbered
Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 11:40

@EasternStandard

You're not going to respond to me pointing out the fact that for 35 years the economy has done better under Labour than under the Conservatives?

Or that the 'loony,' ideologically driven policy of mass privatisation of our social housing stock has created a poisonous legacy for vast numbers of families today and is damaging our economy?

We have historically pretty low unemployment rates. Why is it that only people over 50 have any disposable income? Because younger people are spending such a stupid percentage of their earnings on housing costs.

ColinOfficeTrolley · 02/07/2025 11:42

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 06:59

"Thick as mince". Great quote by Dominic Cummings who you presumably admire.

I see nothing wrong in a nickname. Are we supposed to respect this travesty of a PM? Two Tier Keir very neatly sums up his approach to many issues in this country, mainly due to.his warped ideology.

Hilarious that you think Dominic Cummings coined this phrase.

And no, I do not admire the slimy little toad at all.

Wrong on both counts!

Slightyamusedandsilly · 02/07/2025 11:42

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 11:40

@EasternStandard

You're not going to respond to me pointing out the fact that for 35 years the economy has done better under Labour than under the Conservatives?

Or that the 'loony,' ideologically driven policy of mass privatisation of our social housing stock has created a poisonous legacy for vast numbers of families today and is damaging our economy?

We have historically pretty low unemployment rates. Why is it that only people over 50 have any disposable income? Because younger people are spending such a stupid percentage of their earnings on housing costs.

Far too sane and rooted in logic for the average Tory supporter on here.

bombastix · 02/07/2025 11:43

I doubt that. We already spent all the money we didn’t have during COVID. The fact we’ve got nothing is largely down to the Conservative Party..

Still unedifying to see Labour advance a cuts bill and in effect lose. It means that taxes must rise in the Autumn, and on assets. Every single thing Reeves has advanced as a cut has failed. I know the job is tough, but where is the realism? Scrabbling around for a few million when the interest on government debt is 109 billion (thanks Liz for kick starting that increase off) is mad. Cuts are inevitable, unless you want very serious tax increases.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 11:43

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 11:16

The elephant in the room is the malignancy of the far left still very very much present in the party (looking at you Ange) biding their time - then they will sink the whole country in one fail swoop when the timing is right. It’s been in the pipeline with union backing for decades that I know of.

The public will squeal with dismay as they flatten all growth, productivity and ambition. Steam roll over education, aspiration and innovation. We will be no better than communist China in the bad days before they used torture and AI to force the nation into compliance. The levelling up, really means levelling down and our poor children saddled with the dire consequences.

Anyone that can not see this car crash in slow motion is really living in a distorted dystopia of ill founded hope. The shit is going to hit the fan, and it’s coming sooner than you think.

Edited

You think Rayner is far left?

😂😂😂 Thanks for the laugh anyway. Do terms just mean whatever we say they do these days?

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 11:43

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 11:40

@EasternStandard

You're not going to respond to me pointing out the fact that for 35 years the economy has done better under Labour than under the Conservatives?

Or that the 'loony,' ideologically driven policy of mass privatisation of our social housing stock has created a poisonous legacy for vast numbers of families today and is damaging our economy?

We have historically pretty low unemployment rates. Why is it that only people over 50 have any disposable income? Because younger people are spending such a stupid percentage of their earnings on housing costs.

Where does the economy typically end up as Labour are voted out? In the 70s and last time

Do you want a swing further to the left? If so do you think we’ll last economically with that

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 11:44

bombastix · 02/07/2025 11:43

I doubt that. We already spent all the money we didn’t have during COVID. The fact we’ve got nothing is largely down to the Conservative Party..

Still unedifying to see Labour advance a cuts bill and in effect lose. It means that taxes must rise in the Autumn, and on assets. Every single thing Reeves has advanced as a cut has failed. I know the job is tough, but where is the realism? Scrabbling around for a few million when the interest on government debt is 109 billion (thanks Liz for kick starting that increase off) is mad. Cuts are inevitable, unless you want very serious tax increases.

Labour supporters really can’t see the policies from Labour and their impact.

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 11:45

@Blossomtoes

"They had overspent so much the last time that Labour were in government we had no resilience when the financial crash happened. Are you forgetting the multiple recessions they have caused? Sadly you have another front row seat this year to look forward to a rerun."

That's a lie.

Economies around the world were devastated by the financial crash. In 1997 Labour inherited a big budget deficit. Within a decade they'd reduced both the structural budget deficit and the debt burden.

PrissyGalore · 02/07/2025 11:46

I agree with the housing cost comments. I grew up on a council estate. We had secure low cost housing which was spacious and well planned. Hell, it was even decided that even pretty villages needed council housing too-that working class people could live somewhere nice. Council housing was designed to be mixed-not just for the poorest. And it was reasonable. Imagine how much more growth and how more productive our country would be if people didn’t need such vast amounts to service somewhere to live. And how much happier we would be.

DrowningInSyrup · 02/07/2025 11:46

DeafLeppard · 02/07/2025 07:02

We get the government we deserve, but I still think Labour are the least worst option and this thread is yet another rabble rousing attempt.

Agreed. The other options are quite terrifying.