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Two Tier’s days are numbered

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Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

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Shambles123 · 02/07/2025 10:27

The Tories had to go but I actually think we would be in a more stable position now with Rishi and Hunt at the helm than the current crackpots in charge.

Gutted Rach from customer services is the first female chancellor, what a let down of a wait!

40YearOldDad · 02/07/2025 10:28

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:14

The UK designed and invented the human rights used in the EU today! FFS this is just unforgivable the way this is peddled out. We do not need the ECHR!!

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If we did write so much of the current legislation, which is true we did play a big part in 1950 and then again by siging it into domestic law in 1998 Human Rights Act, why is it such a big deal to leave the ECHR, if it's believed that we played such a big part and adopted this into law?

What changes if we leave? Surely the UK will still be bound by these laws and rules, or would you be happy to pick and choose, not only the laws we want to adopt, but also which ones we apply to a specific demographic? This is where the ECHR comes into play.

Since 1959, the ECHR has only ruled against the UK in one-third of all cases brought to it, meaning the UK has won approximately 600+ of these cases.

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:28

The same is happening with the benefits overhaul. They can’t get anything done - why? Because they have a cabinet and party full of dimwits that wouldn’t know one end of a fiscal forecast from the other.

We are absolutely screwed.
I am not a pessimist but seriously fear for the future.

The bond markets will just stop lending and then people are going to see real trouble on the horizon.

Lilactimes · 02/07/2025 10:28

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 10:08

That’s good as Labour are doing a good job at putting in policies to damage business and investment.

NI policy for a start.

@EasternStandard NI increase has not been popular - agreed. It has been done before though to much less furore.
Employer NI contribution was 11% in 2007; 12.8% in 2013; 13.8% in 2019 and then there’s this new increase in 2024. However Employee contribution has decreased since 2024. Labour trying to put more money back in the hands of the workforce maybe?

The Employer NI increase has stung this time more than others for all the reasons outlined on this thread but I come back to the point that there are many many benefits to being based in the Uk as a business.

Jennps · 02/07/2025 10:29

The rot started in 1997 when nu Labour got in. They opened the borders and killed off what was left of industry as well as dumbing down education. Not single decision that stood the test of time.
Start of uncontrolled mass immigration, devaluing degrees and graduate wages forcing everyone into university for pointless degrees, wage suppression through creating a massive welfare handout state by subsidizing low wages with tax credits, selling off the nation’s gold before gold prices sky rocketed, and just to top it off, destabilising the Iraq and Syria and engaging in war crimes.

Then came ‘Call me Dave’, a guy you would lot pay to clean out your shed, let alone run the country. Didn’t make a single good decision to grow the country.

‘Maybot’ took it up a notch by making a hash of Brexit over 3 long years and as if that wasn’t enough, wrote net 0 into legislation without any debate, condemning the country to permanent extortionate energy prices and killing off what left of manufacturing industry including steel.

Johnson was an absolute unmitigated disaster, letting in a million people a year, mostly unskilled migrants who are not even net contributors. Not to mention rampant corruption and stealing taxes to give to his Covid cronies. Two decades of shit leadership had finally taken its toll and.

Truss, the woman who was right about supply side reforms but had no clue how to make it happen. Through her incompetence, she even killed the credibility of the idea even though supply side reforms are exactly what this country needs to growth.

Rishi was frankly pointless. Having borrowed and printed a trillion pounds to pay for Covid corruption, leaving the country with nearly 20% inflation, he decided to bullshit his way through the next 2 years.

And now we have Two Tier. A man, who if x rayed, would turn out to be missing a spine. Who lives by the values of ‘if you don’t like my principles, I have these other ones’. Flanked by an entourage of comedians:

Rachel from accounts, who, when she’s not plagiarizing other people’s work or lying on her cv, is being accused of fiddling expenses at her previous employer and bunking off work. That’s who we have in charge of the nations finances.

Angela ‘I’d rather be scrapping outside the pub’ Rayner showing that no bar is low enough if you want to be in government.

David Lamey whose single brain cell is so lonely, it needs therapy.

Bridget Phillipson, a face that only a mother could employ. That, too, in a charity run by said parent. And this is who is in charge of educating the next generation.

Jonathan Reynolds, another alumni from ‘Rachel from accounts’ school of liars. He lied about having been a lawyer.

Yvette Cooper, like Diane Abbott when she was the shadow Home Secretary, with a minor saving grace that she can put her shoes on the right way around.

Louise ‘phones4me’ Haigh, running transport until someone realized that giving someone like that a portfolio with billions might look bad.

Red Miliband, who is killing off industry and letting every costs run away even more, so that his ‘green’ cronies can cash in.

Lucy ‘oi you’re racist’ Powell. Don’t mention grooming gangs at all in front of our enlightened culture secretary. She will call you a racist. She thinks calling out rape is dog whistle politics.

Lord Hermer, who as, attorney general, makes it his life’s mission to fight for terrorists to make sure that they can never be deported. Loves uncontrolled immigration. And generally doesn’t give two hoots about about anything other than protecting wrong ‘uns.

Basically this cohort of morons has been destroying this country for 27 years. This government, though, gives the term ‘shower of shite’ a whole new meaning.

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GoodbyeRosie · 02/07/2025 10:29

I see middle class Mumsnet has got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning..

snowmichael · 02/07/2025 10:30

Tapoopoo · 02/07/2025 07:25

I am soooo disappointed by their crapness. At least with the Conservatives they were honest aboit being lying scum and didnt try to hide the fact that they were lining their own pockets.

But yes "Rachel from accounts" is misogynist. You didnt get "Rishi from accounts" or "Kwasi from accounts" (admittedly he wasnt there long enough to get any sort of nickname) or "Jez from accounts".

> You didnt get "Rishi from accounts" or "Kwasi from accounts" (admittedly he wasnt there long enough to get any sort of nickname) or "Jez from accounts".

That's because none of them were literally from accounts
And learn what an apostrophe is and what it's for

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 10:31

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:26

Yes that Labour are doing absolutely fuck all about except removing laws around being homeless. You really couldn’t make this up.

'The sheer numbers of low skilled migrants arriving'.

Irregular immigration only made up a small percentage of the total number of immigrants last years.

Everyone else has been invited here to work with a visa, and will be paying through the nose for that. Far and away the biggest proportion of immigrants classed as 'low skilled' workers who are coming with a visa are care workers, who've been given a visa to work in the care sector.

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 10:32

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 09:13

What is? Do you take other people’s views or dismiss as bots any time it’s not Labour?

Yes, it's arrogant, and they then have the nerve to call you condescending.

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:32

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 10:31

'The sheer numbers of low skilled migrants arriving'.

Irregular immigration only made up a small percentage of the total number of immigrants last years.

Everyone else has been invited here to work with a visa, and will be paying through the nose for that. Far and away the biggest proportion of immigrants classed as 'low skilled' workers who are coming with a visa are care workers, who've been given a visa to work in the care sector.

oh please!!!! Do you think they rock up and announce they are here?!!!

Are you actually for real?

Hellohelga · 02/07/2025 10:32

I like KS and I’m happy with the way things are going. Measures I approve of:

1 Trade deals with India and US (steel still being negotiated but must be added)
2 EU deal incl (1) return of Erasmus (2) pet passports (3) most border checks dropped (4) defence and security pact = EXCELLENT
3 £86 bn investment in science and tech = EXCELLENT
4 New nuclear power station Sizewell C
5 Defense spending up
6 Assisted dying
7 Immigration reform incl (1) limits on dependants allowed (2) ending social care visa (3) more visas for high skilled / elite universities / science and design
8 Pip reform
9 Winter fuel payment reform

Im not bothered about the u turns on PIP and WFP which I see as pragmatic and the right thing to do. Phasing in is fairer and will upset fewer people.

Phew that was a longer than I thought. Many people will disagree with me and that’s fine - no hate please, it’s just my opinion that these measures are good for our economic outlook (and national security).

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 10:33

@Jennps

Do you write for the Murdoch media? Or the Daily Mail? The Express?

You've certainly been steeped in misinformation and propaganda, for years by the looks of things.

😂

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:33

GoodbyeRosie · 02/07/2025 10:29

I see middle class Mumsnet has got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning..

It’s not as bad as the mornings the poor and vulnerable are going to be waking up to in the future unless someone grabs the steering wheel and fast.

Twinstudy · 02/07/2025 10:34

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 08:05

Sorry. To most people it's now a Cummingsism. The PP was just quoting her hero.

It really isn't. Just to you.

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:34

Hellohelga · 02/07/2025 10:32

I like KS and I’m happy with the way things are going. Measures I approve of:

1 Trade deals with India and US (steel still being negotiated but must be added)
2 EU deal incl (1) return of Erasmus (2) pet passports (3) most border checks dropped (4) defence and security pact = EXCELLENT
3 £86 bn investment in science and tech = EXCELLENT
4 New nuclear power station Sizewell C
5 Defense spending up
6 Assisted dying
7 Immigration reform incl (1) limits on dependants allowed (2) ending social care visa (3) more visas for high skilled / elite universities / science and design
8 Pip reform
9 Winter fuel payment reform

Im not bothered about the u turns on PIP and WFP which I see as pragmatic and the right thing to do. Phasing in is fairer and will upset fewer people.

Phew that was a longer than I thought. Many people will disagree with me and that’s fine - no hate please, it’s just my opinion that these measures are good for our economic outlook (and national security).

Labour had nothing at all to do with the deals with the US and India that have been 10 plus years in the making! 😂😂

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 10:34

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 09:47

I find it condescending that Labour supporters use the accusation when they don’t see enough Labour in a post.

I'm not a Labour supporter and I didn't say anything about Labour. I said Reform bots appear on social media. Do you deny it?

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 02/07/2025 10:35

People have been saying for months that he's on his way out, yet. He's still here lingering like a fart in a lift

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 10:35

40YearOldDad · 02/07/2025 10:12

Far far from it, I left school at 16, grew up on a rough arse council estate. But I know how to read; I'm what you'd call an autodidact. I can find interest in most subjects and can argue for either side. Today is the freedom that people want to have, but are willing to deny others. Cake and eat it; it just doesn't work. We're either all in or all out. Seeing what happens in other countries, I'd rather be all in.

If your point was that a ruling from 1998 was a long time ago, say that.rather than a 'witty' comment. I mean, we still have case law being used from the 1800s, but if that's a point you want to argue, I'm all for it.

Today is a very different world from it was 30 years ago, much like it was even 5 years ago, pre-Ukraine-Russia.

I genuinely don't believe that we will leave the ECHR, even if Reform wins the next general election.

I think you may have missed my point, Dad. The ECHR have judges sitting in 2025 that will be very different from those in 1998. The context in which law is made and judgements passed is very relevant. The world (and immigration numbers) of 1998 is very different from today's world. We therefore need to leave the ECHR if it cannot reform or reflect the world as it is today.

Our rights and freedoms do not rely on foreign courts incidentally.

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 02/07/2025 10:36

snowmichael · 02/07/2025 10:30

> You didnt get "Rishi from accounts" or "Kwasi from accounts" (admittedly he wasnt there long enough to get any sort of nickname) or "Jez from accounts".

That's because none of them were literally from accounts
And learn what an apostrophe is and what it's for

It's the fact it's aimed at women as a put down.
Just like Angela R keeps having the fact she was a teen mum used against her as an insult.
Stuff like that is only ever used against women.

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 10:36

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:32

oh please!!!! Do you think they rock up and announce they are here?!!!

Are you actually for real?

  • *@Soulfulunfurling

I suspect you get all your information on migration from a Reform social media feed.

Do you want to share your links to reliable sources on the number of illegal immigrants who aren't in the system - ie, they just disappear into the black economy, where presumably they work for exceptionally low wages, thus generating large amounts of wealth for their employers, with the enormous surplus value from their labour.

ilovesooty · 02/07/2025 10:37

Bridport · 02/07/2025 09:06

You seem so confident of Nigel that I would be happy to be persuaded that he is the man for us.

To help me with this could you please give me some of examples of where he has, during his time as an MEP or in his current post as MP for Clacton, made tangible steps to improve the life of his constituents? Any examples in terms of infrastructure, working conditions, housing, health, human rights would be very useful. Thank you.

He's never improved life for anyone except himself and his rich cronies. Given his lies about Brexit I'd like to see him charged with treason and imprisoned.

snowmichael · 02/07/2025 10:37

mumda · 02/07/2025 08:34

Do we want the UK to be a place where our children can thrive and reap the rewards of their education? Currently the NHS doesn't help the people who train here to get jobs (threads on both nurses and doctors)

Business can't thrive with the extra burden on taxes and energy bills.
Housing is being squeezed from all sides. Landlord rules tightened again meaning fewer rentals.
Mass migration has been continual and puts pressures on the things ordinary people need.

> Do we want the UK to be a place where our children can thrive and reap the rewards of their education

Would that be the world class education system we used to have, with children educated according to their ability?
The one that was destroyed by ... let me think ... oh yes, Labour

Lilactimes · 02/07/2025 10:38

Shambles123 · 02/07/2025 10:27

The Tories had to go but I actually think we would be in a more stable position now with Rishi and Hunt at the helm than the current crackpots in charge.

Gutted Rach from customer services is the first female chancellor, what a let down of a wait!

I disagree strongly with this @Shambles123 because however well the Tories are doing in government they always infight and self distruct.
Rishi Hunt and Cameron would have been hounded out by their own disgruntled party for “not doing Brexit properly”

User135644 · 02/07/2025 10:38

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 10:31

'The sheer numbers of low skilled migrants arriving'.

Irregular immigration only made up a small percentage of the total number of immigrants last years.

Everyone else has been invited here to work with a visa, and will be paying through the nose for that. Far and away the biggest proportion of immigrants classed as 'low skilled' workers who are coming with a visa are care workers, who've been given a visa to work in the care sector.

Most legal migrants don't even come in on work visas

Hellohelga · 02/07/2025 10:38

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:34

Labour had nothing at all to do with the deals with the US and India that have been 10 plus years in the making! 😂😂

The Indian deal you are right

The US deal is not the trade deal that Boris tried and failed to deliver. It’s the deal Starmer made mitigating the extra tariffs that Trump pulled out of a hat with no notice. The UK now has a better trading position vs the US than the EU and many other countries.

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