To be done with Labour - no money will be saved

[Viviennemary]

I've just seen on ITV news that even if the bill goes through no money whatsoever will be saved. So it all seems a pretty pointless exercise. What on earth was the point of all this fuss and argument. Might have guessed this government would be a disaster. That huge majority and they can't get anything done.

I hate to think what the UK will be like after 4 more years of this.

It doesn't make any difference what car the Motability customer chooses, the cost to the tax payer is the same. For higher spec vehicles, the customer has to pay an advance payment that they don't get back at the end of the lease. It can be anything from a few hundred pounds to 7 thousand pounds. More if they have to pay for adaptations. There is a charity that will pay for adaptations for people on means tested benefits, so again, that isn't costing the tax payer extra

Yeah, like everywhere else in the world other than the African continent. Thats not a revelation.

The problem is that most of those of working age are not contributing enough. They are also taking more than they contribute.

Not to mention that millionaires are leaving in their tens of thousands. You know, the top 1% that pay a third of tax.

Your realise there isn't much different between 25% and 23%?

The argument is it’s fine if rich people leave because they will just be replaced by different rich people?

Did I misunderstand something?

If a rich person dies in the UK their business is often still left running and still generating wealth. If a rich person packs all their stuff up and relocates everything we permanently lose out. If we create the conditions that basically make it expensive to employ people, expensive to set up and run businesses, try to tax overseas assets then no we aren’t a magnet for entrepreneurs are we?

She was referring to people with mh conditions, maybe it would give her an idea of what a serious mental health condition entailed, rather than dismissing those that need to claim.

You appear to have skipped over the thread.

They have to go. Absolute shame on everyone who voted for them.

If you say so.

Agree, I'm going hopefully by the end of this tax year, then it's three years to break tax residency, which only really matters if you want to return to visit for any length of time.
The country is a leaky sieve of money.

That's not what the quoted statistics tell us. At all.

Feel free to read them.

I would happily paid more tax when i worked.
No hope now, mid stage Parkinson’s at 63, despite my efforts no one will employ a slow tremoring woman, feet issues too, and bad hands

Well I'm with Rod, let's give reform a chance.

So what’s your point? Who is disputing that people with serious illness should be able to claim?

It’s a deflection tactic to try and make out that anyone who criticizes that bloated welfare state is against help for those that need it. But you d have to be naive, and frankly even obtuse to believe that the millions of claimants are all genuine.

Read who?

Quoting Carla Denya isn't really credible!

Why are there so.many people on Pip. It can't keep going up and up

Exactly, you may as well quote a year 9 essay.

And that’s doing a disservice to smart year 9s.

But the daily figure of 1000 new PIP claimants suggests otherwise. And I’m not sure about having people who are disabled leading the way to decide on processes involving benefits for the disabled, is a good thing. There’s obviously not going to be much compromise going on, or rational discussion, because they’re basically going to be voting on something that affects themselves on a personal level. Maybe input about real lived experiences of certain disabilities, but other than that, not really appropriate or workable.

To add, you mean a third of income tax. Higher earners pay c 29% of income tax (not a third) and income tax makes up c 25% of government revenue. In any case, it's a mark of inequality that such a few people are being paid enough that they pay 29% of all income tax even if that is a minority of income tax take. It means income is unacceptably unequal in the UK and should be more evenly distributed.

Well I have anxiety and depression, although largely manageable with appropriate lifestyle choices.
I have other illnesses too such as overactive thyroid which has gone on to cause osteoporosis. I do find working for an employer hard so am now self employed. I've never tried to claim pip although a friend says I should. My husband is a higher rate tax payer but because I don't earn much so if his taxes go up anymore we will struggle quite frankly.
My kuds are at uni and they don't get full loans and we can't afford to top up so they took years out and worked and financed themselves through. They have paid for driving lessons themselves.
It does feel like us earning anymore money now is counter intuitive. I keep telling my husband to drop his days. We are mid fifties. We're getting tired of it all. Working is a mugs game in certain tax brackets, especially for people with children.

The statistics posted.

My point is that it's the wealth created/tax paid that matters, not the individual creating the wealth or paying the tax. Not whatever garbled interpretation you've attributed to me to fit your odd agenda.

Hth.

chance to do what?

Please, can at least one Reform voter explain what they expect Reform to do?
Refer to their published policies and explain how it's going to improve life in this country and for whom?

So you push out wealth creators to emigrate, you expect new wave to come and replace them. But this new wave will face the same issues which forced the first one to move. Dare to elaborate?

Oh I see.

Yes I have read the link. The link which I provided to you. The link you weren't aware of the existence as of fifteen minutes ago and which you had for an entire two minutes before coming up with a very simplistic interpretation. Thank you.

Are you trying to make some sort of point?