To be done with Labour - no money will be saved

[Viviennemary]

I've just seen on ITV news that even if the bill goes through no money whatsoever will be saved. So it all seems a pretty pointless exercise. What on earth was the point of all this fuss and argument. Might have guessed this government would be a disaster. That huge majority and they can't get anything done.

I hate to think what the UK will be like after 4 more years of this.

More should be happening at school to give young people jobs to aim for and work experience If experience is given in a supportive environment then they can fail and try something else Jobs should maybe be created with support for people with mental health issues without too much pressure Are trainee nurses having to pay for three years of working whilst doing a degree Jobs where you work at the same time as getting a degree speech therapists occupational therapist etc should be free get people motivated who wants to work long shifts like nurses for nothing

Sadly I can see that actually happening.

No it wasn’t. It was because of state largesse. It always is.

I didn't vote for them but I was willing to give them a chance and hoped that they would be good for the country, but honestly what with the WFA debacle, now PIP, small boat crossings up by 48% so far this year this country is in a complete mess.

Be serious, please.

There is no comparison.

This. And so many more misplaced loyalties. They have one job - to protect the interests of the UK and its citizens - and they have zero intention of doing it. Too busy selling us out at Davos.

Most of the 1 in 4 are retired, you know that right?

Sickness and disability does tend to happen as one ages.

Only 23% of working-age adults are disabled, and of those 53% are working.

I really wish people would start investigating the figures the media quotes. They are deliberately taken out of context for shock value.

There isn't a mass exodus of millionaires, and a quarter of the working-age population are not claiming PIP for anxiety. If something you read sounds shocking, you could safely bet on it being untrue.

High rate mobility is just over 300 a month. If you want a top of the range motability car you have to put down a massive payment of your own

I said ‘working age’

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9602/

Figures from the ONS.

The number of disabled people is going up because we have an aging population, not because everyone and their dog has started claiming PIP for anxiety.

i thought they would be more scared of carers who have the power to bring the NHS to its knees

The UK welfare state is now global. Anyone from anywhere in the world can use it, use legal aid, the NHS, housing, education, everything.

End stage socialism.

We do have an ageing population, it's true. We also have a ridiculous number of people claiming PIP for autism, ADHD, anxiety and MH problems that just was not the case 10 years ago.

Majority of Pip claimants in the last 5 years are under 35. Claiming to be too anxious to work.

I work with many young, high tax paying immigrants. Global talent that other countries would kill for. But of course we dont want them either because they will turn us into a island of strangers.

That's true. But they all leave devastation which is impossible to repair.

Labour will concrete our green belt and push out our wealth and high potential youth. Reform will dismantle NHS and welfare state (as much as both need drastic reform, no pun intended, Nige will simply kill it).

Brexit at least can be reversed in some shape or form.

Yes, in 9 years we'll dream about Rishi/Boris to be back

I thought if someone was over 65 they couldn't claim PIP, but could claim Attendance Allowance.

Unfortunately those who truly need it don’t realize it. Their endorsement and advocacy of this madness is causing the most pain for themselves.

I always thought Rishi was a twat but I may yet be proved wrong.

We're also a bit of an outlier among comparable countries because those countries tend to have properly functioning health services and to invest in preventative healthcare. Our out of work benefits are also some of the lowest of the OECD nations and our average rate of pay is also lower. I'm always surprised when people don't see the link between poverty/low pay (and corresponding high cost of living) and ill health.

That’s a strawman. And a totally false argument. The facts are that majority of immigrants don’t fall into that category that you describe as ‘global talent’. Most don’t even pay enough tax to fund the services they use, they are not net contributors.

I'm middle class and I am planning on leaving next year, especially if taxes go up and I will be taking all my wealth with me. Absolutely sick of paying more and more and getting nothing back but expected to subsidise so many others whilst I am seeing everything get progressively worse. Enough!

We are still losing people, if it gets worse we will lose more. If we are talking about people who contribute a significant amount to the country. We should be trying to attract more millionaires not be losing some and then going “ah well they are bastards anyway, who needs them.” An old person in an expensive home is not the same as someone who employs people or who invests in our markets.

Everything this government is doing is anti growth and anti jobs. We don’t get richer by expanding the state.

They complain about a blackhole then give away pay rises to public sector workers in exchange for zero. They whack up taxes on jobs, they are trying to pass an unsafe euthansia bill which they have hurried through. They are an utter shitshow. As pointed out before gilts are now higher than when Liz Truss apparently crashed the economy (but it’s fine cos it’s a labour). They can’t decide if VAT on private schools will be for schools or housing. More tax rises will have to come because Labour will not cut spending on anything. The

This is not about ideology it is about competence. I’ve voted labour, conservative, lib dem and this is honestly the worst government I have ever seen.

If people are claiming PIP for any condition, it's because they've met the threshold for entitlement. PIP is not awarded on the basis of diagnosis but on how someone is affected by their disability or condition.

Speak for yourself!