To be done with Labour - no money will be saved

[Viviennemary]

I've just seen on ITV news that even if the bill goes through no money whatsoever will be saved. So it all seems a pretty pointless exercise. What on earth was the point of all this fuss and argument. Might have guessed this government would be a disaster. That huge majority and they can't get anything done.

I hate to think what the UK will be like after 4 more years of this.

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/01/24/no-there-has-not-been-an-exodus-of-uk-millionaires-and-new-wealth-taxes-wont-force-them-to-leave-either/

No they are not.

Careful @Jennps…

The Tories withheld their support for the bill because they demanded assurances in return (such as a promise not to raise taxes in the next Parliament) that the government wasn't willing to give. It wasn't a free vote; those Labour MPs who voted against the bill defied the whip. Everyone was supposed to vote along party lines. It's definitely not the case that the Tories have, en masse, developed a moral conscience! Badenoch is one of the few who thinks that the cuts should go much further (and seems oddly convinced that the majority share that view - perhaps she spends too much time on the Mumsnet politics board?).

What are you talking about, where did I say anything about Reform sorting it out?

And anyway, you’re the one with an issue with reform, start first by explaining what your issues are.

Based on their tenure so far, would you call Labour a success?

Apparently there is a massive party on the gravy train tonight.

The problem is Labour’s policies are impacting growth. Which means cuts and / or tax rises.

It’s why they’ve tried and failed to get this bill passed. Now they’ll still need to make cuts etc as they haven’t saved what they wanted.

They're fascistic.

No they came in strong but have backtracked on almost everything other than the tax rises. Now we have more tax rises to come. So disappointed. It leaves no other options. Tories are too weak, Labour too weak, lib dems will just add more carriages to the gravy train. Reform is the only option left.

https://www.businessinsider.com/rich-used-to-flock-to-the-uk-now-theyre-fleeing-2025-6

Nice try. You tell me why you think they’ll deliver utopia. After all you’re the one who intends voting for them.

Agree with all of this. Plus the chronic short termism lurching from one term to election earing into the next caused by FPTP.

In 4 years time we wil, be back where we started 15 years ago when they last left. Another note will be left at the treasury

there is no money

I don’t usually use derogatory terms for women but Rachel from accounts is driving us to the brink

Where are you reading that? When you don’t read properly and spout rubbish, the answer is not to double down.

Not sure Labour supporters will answer that. But no it’s a mess.

Sums it up perfectly. Let's wait for Reform to get in, then we can all remember the good old days when Boris was fucking everyone over and Starmer was kicking the disabled.

These cuts were never going to save a penny and the government was well aware of it. They were part of a move to downgrade disability benefits (see also the replacement of the term benefits with the offensive "welfare) so that they're only paid to the most severely disabled of all .Starmer is no socialist; arguably he's well to the right of the Major administration.

If anyone still believes the government's main aim here is to save money, ask yourself why inequality caused by poverty costs the NHS 50 bn per year, ten times the amount the cuts were meant to save. And this is entirely ignored by our leaders.

Thank you.

Let them go down with this ‘Government’ - we need to ensure we don't go down with them.

Unfortunately, they will take everyone down with them. At this point these morons are going for ‘scorched earth’.

Trash the country as much as possible to appease the far left.

We have a ton of paper millionaires. Plenty are older people who don't pay much tax anyway, for instance the baby boom generation who bought houses in places like London in the 70s/80s.
Nobody is massively concerned about the "wealthy" leaving in droves. It tends not to make a noticeable difference.

Since you couldn't be bothered to read the article I linked I will leave this short snippet below for you which summarises it nicely.

The numbers cited are questionable, given they are based upon a survey by a ‘global wealth intelligence’ firm. However, even if entirely accurate, it would still represent less than 0.5% of the more than three million millionaires who live in the UK. This amounts to a rounding error and is hardly the “exodus” claimed.

I'm not claiming Labour is getting everything right. What they've managed up to now is questionable at best but they are not driving millionaires away in droves.

I'm a Labour voter. I'm not happy with Labour, and if they continue this way for the rest of their term, I'll either spoil my vote or vote LibDem, depending on their policies. But it is early days. They inherited a hell of a mess, and I am still holding out hope that they'll turn it around.

Decided to make an exception on this occasion eh?

The Greek crisis was because people didn't pay their taxes...avoidant rich just like here

https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/minister-finally-admits-that-working-age-benefits-spending-is-stable-despite-months-of-spiralling-claims/

Don't ever get sick, have an accident or other calamity...we are doomed if we cant care for the vulnerable

I feel deflated. With 1 in 4 working age claiming to be disabled, and large proportion getting 800 a month - maybe I should join them? What do you need that money for if you have anxiety, depression or ADHD? Meanwhile, my children struggle to earn, work, save. They’ll never own a house. They will just be stuck paying for all of this.

And then I have just had to watch MPs at the house of commons saying that had to ‘vote with their hearts’. No, I need you to vote with your dang head. How about thinking about the hard working taxpayer who feels like a cashcow right now.