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No family support, anyone else? Help me find solutions.

190 replies

tangerinemagic · 30/06/2025 13:32

Feeling alone and exhausted. We have 2 kids, 2 years apart: youngest is 9 months (crawling, fussy), eldest nearly 3 (terrible twos).

Both parents useless, dead or alive. One has passed, but wasn’t any help when alive. My mum is alive but may as well not be, only met my eldest once 2 years ago, has never met youngest, won’t visit, and her house isn’t safe for kids. She’s an alcohol and mental health problems, possibly the most draining self centred person you could imagine and all caused by my late father who abused her emotionally and rumoured, physically but no idea if that’s her wild imagination or the truth. Don’t care at this point, she has failed me as a mother since the day I was born and I’ve been left with troubled siblings which only adds to my stress. Yes I have by now distanced myself/cut them off for my own sanity…

In-laws (mid-70s) are helpful with other grandkids (now 6+ and up to uni age) but say how much harder it is now at their age and find it hard to help as much as they did with the other grandkids (19, 16, 8, 6). They live 2 hours away but will happily drive 2 hours to BIL’s to do school pick-ups, give dinner, and drive home just because BIL/SIL are working late and “don’t trust anyone else.” But visiting us in London? “Too much traffic.” It is straight motorways to BIL but their only solution when we say we’re struggling is “come to us.”

When we do, we get fed and it’s nice to have a change of scenery, kids like the big garden and not worrying about food is nice, but help is minimal: no mornings, no overnights, no weekends without us. We’re still hands-on, plus have to pack for 5 (including the dog), deal with travel car sickness, overtired kids, and disrupted routines. Yesterday we left at 6.30pm, home by 8.30pm, no one slept in the car, toddler vomited, everyone overtired. We walked back into a messy house because we’d been too busy packing to tidy before we left. Honestly, not worth it.

We get more help seeing local friends with kids, where toddlers play and people happily hold the baby. DH agrees but won’t push back when PIL suggest visiting them. Just says we only do it every couple of months, it’s manageable, the drive here is horrid hence why we don’t enjoy it and they’re old. We’ve discussed moving out of london and we will but in a few years time. What if we moved closer for the help and their age doesn’t stop being a factor?

Meanwhile, others I know have grandparents flying in from abroad to take grandkids at 6am so parents can lay in, having them for the weekend while grandparents go to weddings, 5 days at Glastonbury, and holidays of their own. Dream scenario. We have to pay for every minute of help to have any kind of life….. I’ve not found anyone who can do double bedtime successfully yet. Given the age of the DCs they just want mum and dad or grandparents would be ideal but here we are.

DH turns 40 later this year. PIL say they won’t have both DCs as a full weekend including bedtime and mornings is ‘too much’ in case they might be unwell or not sleeping for example and even still would only help if we drive up rather come here.

For context, 2 years ago for a child-free wedding we rebooked flights to leave from near PIL, dropped off DC1, (2+ hours), packed for him and Us, their nearest airport we could leave from was 90 min away and all in return for 2 night stay. They ignored our messages when it was going badly sleep-wise. Non stop worry. We’d have been better off paying a professional to stay at ours.

I’d love to ring “mum” for help but don’t have one, never have done. I made my peace but this weekend everyone seems to be off without DCs and we feel exhausted from visiting PIL.

Any advice? We don’t want an au pair as the house isn’t enourmous being in London and someone would drive me mad living here, but I’m starting to think we need to hire someone so we can stop begging family for scraps of help and finally get a break.

what have others done in this scenario? No siblings my side as I established but DH has an older sister who is almost an empty nested, eldest off to uni in September. So left with her 16 year old. Could be an option but we’ve never asked.

OP posts:
JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 01/07/2025 00:31

I had zero help and just got on with it. It’s the same for everyone when children are small. It passes quickly.

Skyglimmer · 01/07/2025 06:31

We don't have any help and our friends with kids are a mix of either no help or lots of help. We just get on with it and go out separately with friends and go for weekends away with friends. We occasionally take the day off together when the kids are at school/nursery so we an spend the day together which is nice.

Chat2025 · 01/07/2025 06:35

Haven’t RTFT but childcare swaps from time to time with a reliable friend? When DC are a bit older probably. We did this a few times when our DC were growing up and it worked well. Can’t really be too often but even twice a year might help a little.

HelpMeUnpickThis · 01/07/2025 10:28

tangerinemagic · 30/06/2025 19:05

Well you sound qualified and suited to help answer the question I asked. Even if tips for survival. Rather than calling me entitled, perhaps read my post and the question I asked - for advice on how to navigate. If I’m entitled you are certainly arrogant.

@tangerinemagic

I can see from your reply why people are not falling over themselves to help you.

Good luck.

tangerinemagic · 01/07/2025 10:38

HelpMeUnpickThis · 01/07/2025 10:28

@tangerinemagic

I can see from your reply why people are not falling over themselves to help you.

Good luck.

You’ve replied to a thread where im asking for tips on how to pull through this tough time but rather than share anything useful, you tell me to get on with it, called me entitled and tell me you’re out of the woods with now an 11 and 8 year year but still alive. Sarcasm and arrogance on your post caveated with ‘I really don’t mean to be mean but…’ and followed by ‘sorry’. You are the worst kind on MNer.

OP posts:
gingercat02 · 01/07/2025 10:52

We had no family, mine in Spain, in laws, elderly and not well, 5h drive away.
My parents came for 2 weeks in the summer (great help but mentally wearing). In laws did visit occasionally but wouldn't even make themselves a cup of tea!
You just have to power through sadly. We paid a teen 2 doors down for baby sitting but it makes a night out v expensive. We swapped sitting with friends for birthdays and anniversaries.
Play dates with nursery or school mums where you can drop and go, or at least have a coffee and a chat.
Its hard but we couldn't have afforded a nanny or aupair (no space for a live in anyway)

Cakeandusername · 01/07/2025 10:54

I think you just need to accept it is just way it is. You’ve had 2 babies close together, older in life so it’s inevitable that PIL are older. I fully understand PIL not wanting to mind 2 tiny children overnight or travel into London. What they did years or or do with older gc very different. I wouldn’t hold it against them.
Is SIL nearby? 16 and 18 year old cousins could be ideal paid babysitters or know friends who were up for it.
I think look at how you can incorporate paid care. My teen used to babysit for a couple as needed in village. Or look for someone as a regular mother’s help.
As they get older and do activities then they will get opportunities for sleepovers eg brownie pack holiday but it doesn’t work as well with two as you will still have one child.

HeyThereDelila · 01/07/2025 11:10

I sympathise OP. We had no family nearby and have had to pay 4 days a week nursery and manage the baby and toddler years on our own.

We’ve moved now and are nearer my family- fine for emergencies but I won’t ask them to do much more than that. DPs are turning 70 and DSis had major surgery this year plus my DM doesn’t drive and DF recently had a heart attack.

We just did without nights out together and I think DS must’ve been 3 or 4 before we had a night away the two of us without him. My ILs will do this for us but live 4 hours away so it’s rare.

Most of our friends without nearby family manage with babysitters, part time nanny shares, au pairs or asking nursery staff to babysit. We just went without as I wasn’t comfortable with that set up.

We’re having a new baby in October, God willing. It may be we get a bit more help this time as my family are nearer but I doubt it’ll be much.

SilviaSnuffleBum · 01/07/2025 11:15

tangerinemagic · 30/06/2025 22:02

Lots of posters noted I’m in the worst phase for parenting. How long does this go on for exactly? Is it because baby is coming up to 1 or is it going to last until baby is 3 for example? :)

I found it WAY easier with my twins once they started school, but I'd say parenting itself became 'easier' for me in Year 1 (probably as Twin 2 got an EHCP and other support needs for both girls were being better met).

RobinStrike · 01/07/2025 11:58

OP, I think the comparison with friends and neighbours is making your life more difficult than it needs to be. We never lived near any family and moved too frequently to have friends to ask for help. I know it’s easy to say and hard to do but life really is what you make it. If you have a brilliant husband who does his share of everything, as I do, and you say yours does, then all you can do is make the most of it. Resign yourself to not having loads of days/nights out while your DC are being cared for by someone else. Plan nights in after they are in bed, days as a family and yes, rest when you can. It is tough but as with us, it’s your choice to have a family. No one else owes you any support. Be happy for your friends who have it, don’t begrudge them the days out, but you have to make your peace with your situation.
As someone above said, when they are both in school/nursery, have days off together. You can really savour the time and appreciate it.

Itchytoe · 03/07/2025 06:15

Fitasafiddle1 · 30/06/2025 19:10

We are the other side of this, what we have seen now is many of our friends that had the benefit of tons of help are now saddled with caring duties for their elderly parents and sandwiched with teens and jobs. We are now the ones flying off and have all of the freedom. Its definitely swings and roundabouts. We have no obligations.

Absolutely

Sp hopefully you’d be understanding that those friends of yours sandwiched between hefty obligations may occasionally be a little “flakey”.

Dandelionlawn · 03/07/2025 06:38

It's a hard period of life. You sound like you desperately need a break. We had very little help and every time we tried to book babysitters, they didn't turn up. So we got used to it I guess. Celebrated our big birthdays by going out as a family. When the dc were at school we'd take a half day off and go out to lunch. Arrange camping trips and holidays with other families. You can't really compare your situation to others. Some have loads of help, others have none. It does pass and you can resurrect going out and time to yourselves.

Cel77 · 03/07/2025 06:58

Same here. Parents abroad. They can't afford to fly more than once a year. They don't stay long either.
PIL 2h30 away. It's nice when we go there but it's a long day for the kids (5 h in car as we don't sleep over)..

No siblings nearby. We're completely on our own.
Kids are now almost 10 and 6.

I've felt the bitter resentment of our situation many times,and still feel it. I'm exhausted and frankly,our couple is almost dead.

No solution I'm afraid, because no one can fix your circumstances. I've tried very hard to make friends with my children's friends parents so they could have playdates etc...

I'm a supply teacher so I can be extremely flexible if one of the children is unwell, or if there's something at school. I'm also the one looking after them the whole school holidays (it's not brilliant for my mental health after a while though).

That's it really. Good luck.

Pinsneedlesok · 03/07/2025 08:13

tangerinemagic · 30/06/2025 20:18

She has offered but I would wait until they’re a bit older. As PP pointed out, by the time we have the DCs 5 and 7 yeats old, and old enough to stay with PiL they will be in their 80s. So if SiL is offering now, we will hold off 4 more years and ask for the odd bit of help. She offers now all the time!

I would consider asking your SIL to look after just your eldest so you keep the baby. Having just the baby when you are used to two us definitely easier and that would build the relationship between your eldest and her. Water then to add the little one in a year, in stages. Suddenly having two unknown children us really hard.
I would also think about shared sleepovers with friends swapping children, and again I would do it with just one child to start and get them used to it. Two needy worried home sick kids is way worse than one if it goes wrong!
Definitely pay for a baby sitter locally. We had an amazing 15 years old when my kids were that age, she stayed with us for years through A levels, kids loved her, then through uni holidays. Invaluable and relatively cheap for the respite. You can feel nearly human even going out for two hours to the pub for a quick meal!
Once my eldest was at preschool we used to do playdates (age 4) and that was brill as my baby slept in the afternoon so when the oldest was at a playdate I had some sort of free time
My kids were born in Sydney, ILs working and had SIL kids nearby so no childcare for us. My parents were keen but very distant! I feel your pain. Each six months gets easier.
I like the idea of summer au pair, you might find the benefits out weigh the down sides so a good way to try.
Good luck, it's such a tough time right now for you.

cestlavielife · 03/07/2025 14:01

the nursery bill will be £4k+ per month

So get a liv e out nanny instead. Use state school and nursery.
Nanny gets to know kids and you pay nanny for a sleepover from time to time

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