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To ask if you refused to help with older relatives and how that went down?

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Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 09:39

I have 2 parents and 2 parents in law closing in on needing care. Reading other threads here it sounds as though this has a high chance of ruining my life over the next decade or so.

My husband and I work full time, love our jobs and don't have any caring responsibilities or instincts, not even a cat. I don't want to give up work or holidays or enjoying this bit of my life before I in turn am too old.

If we refuse to get involved beyond visits to say hello, how screwed are our parents?

(As we are child free I am not worried about any example setting although appreciate the relationship with siblings could get tricky)

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Comedycook · 29/06/2025 19:22

Ddakji · 29/06/2025 19:21

So you’re not a part of society, really, are you?

Cold as ice. Like I said, it's quite unnerving

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:23

Comedycook · 29/06/2025 19:22

Do you care about them? Love them? I understand you don't want to do anything for them...but do you at least care what happens to them?

I don't think I am obliged to care for anyone on the basis of love. Men don't tend to, do they.

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Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:25

Ddakji · 29/06/2025 19:22

Why are you still here then? I mean, here, alive, living?

Because it's the default position.

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Comedycook · 29/06/2025 19:25

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:23

I don't think I am obliged to care for anyone on the basis of love. Men don't tend to, do they.

I'm using the term "care" as an emotion rather than actual caring responsibilities. As in do you actually give a shit about what happens to them?

Comedycook · 29/06/2025 19:26

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:23

I don't think I am obliged to care for anyone on the basis of love. Men don't tend to, do they.

Yes they do. My DH pops to his elderly mum's house to do DIY tasks for her. He does things for me. For our kids. For his wider family.

Psychologymam · 29/06/2025 19:26

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:23

I don't think I am obliged to care for anyone on the basis of love. Men don't tend to, do they.

Often they don’t but some do. Of course you aren’t obliged but what do you want from this thread? No one is going to make you do anything, you would be terrible at it and you’ve said your parents have accepted this and hopefully have put other plans in place. Do you want someone to tell you you’re doing the right thing?

OutsideLookingOut · 29/06/2025 19:26

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:23

I don't think I am obliged to care for anyone on the basis of love. Men don't tend to, do they.

Most certainly don't. They will leave their wives when sick. I'm finding it humorous that many are shocked by you but probably have unwittingly married men like you. Not that I agree with you but I did notice that.

Ddakji · 29/06/2025 19:27

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:25

Because it's the default position.

You’ve said you’ll head to Switzerland - why wait? Why Switzerland? What’s stopping you here and now? Apathy? Lethargy?

stayathomer · 29/06/2025 19:30

No - I am just very realistic and don't live in a fluffy nicey delusion world (no offence to the majority who do).

Whoah no, hold on op, I would actually guess the majority on here are the opposite, I personally have a brother who is autistic and talks to himself and bangs his head off a wall, a mother in law I help out with hospital appointments for, a mother regularly in and out of hospital and I moved back in with my dad when he got terminal cancer and spent most nights sitting with a newborn at a stairs ready to stop him falling when he’d go for a wander in a deletions state. My sister and brother in law moved in too as both were nurses. I would guess we try to make the world fluffy to cushion ourselves against the non stop shit we face, and I’m happy (actually happy to do that). We do this stuff because we want to be there for people, want to help and all people that we help are just fab people!!! (Best dad in the world, amazing mil, great mum, dude of a brother)

Sunnygin · 29/06/2025 19:31

Breathableflaps778 · 29/06/2025 19:11

Wow. Since when did love become so transactional?

With the exception of those who are abusive, most parents have, generally speaking, already given up quite a lot to give their children a good life. It’s usual to want to honour everything they have done for us by at least helping a little when they are old.

Do you love your parents op? Does your dh love his parents? Leaving caring aside, do you like them as people? Does their value to you suddenly diminish when they become less able? Does it change them in your eyes fundamentally as people?

Love isn’t just a social concept; it’s a verb and usually involves practical action of some sort.

We all grow ill and incapacitated at some point in our lives. Very few of us can survive without the help of others eventually.

I never understand the logic behind the argument of “having children is selfish; we didn’t ask to be born” because that applies to the entire human race! Not one person on this earth asked to be born but in every case , even the crappiest of mothers went through nine months of pregnancy and birth to bring us in to the world, our parents then kept us alive while we were young and vulnerable, facilitated our education and friendships, fed us, washed our clothes and cleaned our homes and supported us financially and emotionally, and taught us about the world. I think after all of that you have to be pretty cold, or up yourself, to think that you owe them absolutely nothing in return!

Again, to reiterate, I am NOT saying that this applies to abusive parents! But neglect and abuse can work both ways imho.

I don’t expect my dc to ever give me personal care as we have made financial provision for that, but I’d be pretty disappointed if they didn’t feel able to advocate for me if I became incapacitated. Or that the fact that I became ill; would actually put them off coming to see me. I would hope that our relationships wouldn’t be as shallow as that. Are people only worthy of love when they are fit and independent?

Op I think your honesty is good actually but what would you do if, God forbid, you or your husband became incapacitated by a stroke say? Do you think that your dh wouldn’t love you as much if you were ill and disabled? I am not saying it would be all be a bed of roses by any means, and we all have different strengths, but would you really expect to be abandoned to your fate and left mostly alone by those closest to you? And if you don’t, why is it ok for you to do that to your parents? And why is it ok that you rely on your siblings to do the majority of the less pleasant tasks, because it isn’t. No one enjoys the drudgery of the tasks involved but they do it out of love for the person they are helping.

And, to answer your question op, it depends where you live, but most state care is pretty perfunctory. The patient has very little say or control over when the carers visit so can be put to bed at 4.30 pm until 8.30 am if that suits the roster. The quality of care varies massively and sometimes communication can be very difficult. Imho, family need to coordinate and advocate for their parents. And do their shopping, wash clothes and attend to things in their house that need fixing in addition to what carers do. And take them out so that they can attend hospital appointments and on a few expeditions to add to their quality of life. And be available for emergencies. That’s the minimum I would say.

Brilliant post 👍

ruethewhirl · 29/06/2025 19:32

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 18:29

I agree that many people get a thrill from martyrdom. More often women than men hence women more often "the carers". Then writing to the Guardian in old age complaining they can't afford to put the heating on after years as an unpaid carer.

Not for me.

It’s not always about a ‘thrill’. Yes, some people have martyr complexes, but for many it’s a matter of caring about other people, believe it or not. But at this point I’m not even sure why I’m engaging with you as I think your sentiments are at least partly intended to shock. It’s actually getting tedious.

Holluschickie · 29/06/2025 19:32

You all are arguing with someone, who on previous threads, argued that women's vaginas explode in peri- menopause, while they simultaneously become so stupid and anxious that they can no longer work, have sex or enjoy life! I dod tell you earlier you would run into a Great Wall of Nihilism and Doom.

Leave the OP to her issues and go outside to touch grass! I am eating an icecream in the park while waiting for my vagina to fall out my arse.

Breathableflaps778 · 29/06/2025 19:33

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:23

I don't think I am obliged to care for anyone on the basis of love. Men don't tend to, do they.

Bullshit. There are two men in my family doing it right now. One looking after my cousin with a failing heart; they are both retired and he does all of the housework, meals, meds, shopping etc. And my male cousin who looks after his elderly mother. He has employed a lot of people to help as he works but but has moved in, and takes care of the nights.

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:34

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Comedycook · 29/06/2025 19:34

Did you tread on ants a lot as a child op?

gamerchick · 29/06/2025 19:36

I think people forget that nobody asks.to be born. People have babies for purely selfish reasons. No child owes you anything.

In-laws are your blokes problem OP. Focus on your own parents.

OutsideLookingOut · 29/06/2025 19:36

Breathableflaps778 · 29/06/2025 19:33

Bullshit. There are two men in my family doing it right now. One looking after my cousin with a failing heart; they are both retired and he does all of the housework, meals, meds, shopping etc. And my male cousin who looks after his elderly mother. He has employed a lot of people to help as he works but but has moved in, and takes care of the nights.

That is great but it doesn't change the stats e.g. that men are more likely to leave ill wives than women are ill husbands etc etc

WearyAuldWumman · 29/06/2025 19:36

Holluschickie · 29/06/2025 19:32

You all are arguing with someone, who on previous threads, argued that women's vaginas explode in peri- menopause, while they simultaneously become so stupid and anxious that they can no longer work, have sex or enjoy life! I dod tell you earlier you would run into a Great Wall of Nihilism and Doom.

Leave the OP to her issues and go outside to touch grass! I am eating an icecream in the park while waiting for my vagina to fall out my arse.

Really?

I'd better go check that mine is still in situ. The gynae who did my hysteroscopy didn't seem to notice anything amiss.

Breathableflaps778 · 29/06/2025 19:36

Holluschickie · 29/06/2025 19:32

You all are arguing with someone, who on previous threads, argued that women's vaginas explode in peri- menopause, while they simultaneously become so stupid and anxious that they can no longer work, have sex or enjoy life! I dod tell you earlier you would run into a Great Wall of Nihilism and Doom.

Leave the OP to her issues and go outside to touch grass! I am eating an icecream in the park while waiting for my vagina to fall out my arse.

Oh that explains a lot!

Thanks Holluschickie!
That’s 20 mins I won’t get back. I should know better by now.

Op why not spend your time doing something more creative, productive and helpful? Life is short!

Uricon2 · 29/06/2025 19:37

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That is an absolutely foul thing to say in answer to that post.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 29/06/2025 19:38

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I thought life was all about "feeling good" OP. You're doing what makes you feel good. We're doing what makes us "feel good" - and hopefully the people we love and care for to whatever degree applies.

ruethewhirl · 29/06/2025 19:38

PS @arcticpandasI am sorry to hear about your mum. Posted quite quickly earlier but I should have said that.

bigbreakfastclub · 29/06/2025 19:38

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Don’t agree that it’s just that some people are kinder and love their parents. Some don’t care

laughingnow · 29/06/2025 19:42

You sound bored and not particularly bright, I suggest an early night xx

laughingnow · 29/06/2025 19:43

Sorry about your fragmented brain

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