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To ask if you refused to help with older relatives and how that went down?

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Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 09:39

I have 2 parents and 2 parents in law closing in on needing care. Reading other threads here it sounds as though this has a high chance of ruining my life over the next decade or so.

My husband and I work full time, love our jobs and don't have any caring responsibilities or instincts, not even a cat. I don't want to give up work or holidays or enjoying this bit of my life before I in turn am too old.

If we refuse to get involved beyond visits to say hello, how screwed are our parents?

(As we are child free I am not worried about any example setting although appreciate the relationship with siblings could get tricky)

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 29/06/2025 18:51

I have never been more relieved at someone's decision not to procreate.

Whoiam · 29/06/2025 18:51

These comments remind me of Matthew 24:12, which states, "And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold." It's incredibly sad that some people refuse to help those who gave them life and dedicated a portion of their own lives to care for them, driven solely by selfishness. I also feel a similar sadness when grandparents show no interest in their grandchildren Surely, no man is an island, and if we can't even care for those we love, what purpose does that serve?

yakkity · 29/06/2025 18:52

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 18:51

Someone spasming on the ground unconscious isn't category 1? This seems unlikely.

They don’t tend to spasm for hours. But a person can be very much not properly functioning for hours after a seizure.

And no. That wouldn’t usually rank as a top emergency priority

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 18:52

Whoiam · 29/06/2025 18:51

These comments remind me of Matthew 24:12, which states, "And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold." It's incredibly sad that some people refuse to help those who gave them life and dedicated a portion of their own lives to care for them, driven solely by selfishness. I also feel a similar sadness when grandparents show no interest in their grandchildren Surely, no man is an island, and if we can't even care for those we love, what purpose does that serve?

There is no purpose. Enjoy yourself, that's it.

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WearyAuldWumman · 29/06/2025 18:53

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 18:26

I mean if most people aren't why are there so few care home visitors? I don't really care but I think it's naive to believe we live in some loving caring utopia.

My mum was in respite at times. From what I could see, most residents did have visitors.

Comedycook · 29/06/2025 18:54

Considering your stance on things....I am quite surprised that you have a DH who has a health condition....if you're so focused on doing as little as possible for anyone else and just doing things which you enjoy...why are you still with him?

OutsideLookingOut · 29/06/2025 18:55

HopingForTheBest25 · 29/06/2025 18:37

And yet you seem to be enjoying your life, what with all the holidays you don't want to miss out on!
I don't buy for one minute that you aren't glad to be alive - you're still here, so there must be something in it for you! You just want everyone to validate the incredible selfishness of showing zero care for the people who have presumable loved and nurtured you.

Sometimes you can be more scared of dying than happy to be alive.

Ddakji · 29/06/2025 19:02

Out of interest, @Fragmentedbrain, why are you on Mumsnet? I know of course that it everyone here is a mum but everyone is part of some kind of family and that’s often what threads are about, one way or another.

Strawberriesandpears · 29/06/2025 19:07

MrsSkylerWhite · 29/06/2025 11:30

What is depressing is how many seemingly sensible and responsible people completely fail to plan for their own old age.

Agreed. I am trying to plan for mine now and I am only 38. Although that's partly because I am in the terrifying position of being likely to end up entirely on my own, as I have no family (only child, no children of my own) 🙁

Uricon2 · 29/06/2025 19:07

IMO OP thinks that their nihilistic utterances somehow exude languid cool. They're not, they're trite. You do you, though.

The caregiving is a separate matter. It isn't for everyone and people shouldn't be forced into it.

AguNwaanyi · 29/06/2025 19:08

I have so much to say on this topic because I the dependence on carers to look after elderly relatives, and the presumption of their availability, interesting. But this is mumsnet so I will just say have a conversation with everyone involved so that expectations are laid out, but if you are shirking everything on to your siblings with no help whatsoever then expect the potential relationship fallout. Also expect that your parents may not even want the occasional visit if from their perspective they feel neglected by you.

MikeRafone · 29/06/2025 19:09

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 10:02

Actually, what happens to the old people who move abroad in retirement then come back after 20 years in need of care? I assume the local authority still gives it to them because we are hopeless as a nation at dealing with such stuff?

They get told by local authorities they are not entitled to public funds. I’ve seen this happen & it comes as a shock, there are many not entitled to public funds when they come from abroad

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:10

AguNwaanyi · 29/06/2025 19:08

I have so much to say on this topic because I the dependence on carers to look after elderly relatives, and the presumption of their availability, interesting. But this is mumsnet so I will just say have a conversation with everyone involved so that expectations are laid out, but if you are shirking everything on to your siblings with no help whatsoever then expect the potential relationship fallout. Also expect that your parents may not even want the occasional visit if from their perspective they feel neglected by you.

Yeah I don't assume availability especially with recent immigration rules changes.

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ruethewhirl · 29/06/2025 19:10

Whoiam · 29/06/2025 18:51

These comments remind me of Matthew 24:12, which states, "And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold." It's incredibly sad that some people refuse to help those who gave them life and dedicated a portion of their own lives to care for them, driven solely by selfishness. I also feel a similar sadness when grandparents show no interest in their grandchildren Surely, no man is an island, and if we can't even care for those we love, what purpose does that serve?

That’s nice. Have you cared for elderly relatives yourself?

Breathableflaps778 · 29/06/2025 19:11

Wow. Since when did love become so transactional?

With the exception of those who are abusive, most parents have, generally speaking, already given up quite a lot to give their children a good life. It’s usual to want to honour everything they have done for us by at least helping a little when they are old.

Do you love your parents op? Does your dh love his parents? Leaving caring aside, do you like them as people? Does their value to you suddenly diminish when they become less able? Does it change them in your eyes fundamentally as people?

Love isn’t just a social concept; it’s a verb and usually involves practical action of some sort.

We all grow ill and incapacitated at some point in our lives. Very few of us can survive without the help of others eventually.

I never understand the logic behind the argument of “having children is selfish; we didn’t ask to be born” because that applies to the entire human race! Not one person on this earth asked to be born but in every case , even the crappiest of mothers went through nine months of pregnancy and birth to bring us in to the world, our parents then kept us alive while we were young and vulnerable, facilitated our education and friendships, fed us, washed our clothes and cleaned our homes and supported us financially and emotionally, and taught us about the world. I think after all of that you have to be pretty cold, or up yourself, to think that you owe them absolutely nothing in return!

Again, to reiterate, I am NOT saying that this applies to abusive parents! But neglect and abuse can work both ways imho.

I don’t expect my dc to ever give me personal care as we have made financial provision for that, but I’d be pretty disappointed if they didn’t feel able to advocate for me if I became incapacitated. Or that the fact that I became ill; would actually put them off coming to see me. I would hope that our relationships wouldn’t be as shallow as that. Are people only worthy of love when they are fit and independent?

Op I think your honesty is good actually but what would you do if, God forbid, you or your husband became incapacitated by a stroke say? Do you think that your dh wouldn’t love you as much if you were ill and disabled? I am not saying it would be all be a bed of roses by any means, and we all have different strengths, but would you really expect to be abandoned to your fate and left mostly alone by those closest to you? And if you don’t, why is it ok for you to do that to your parents? And why is it ok that you rely on your siblings to do the majority of the less pleasant tasks, because it isn’t. No one enjoys the drudgery of the tasks involved but they do it out of love for the person they are helping.

And, to answer your question op, it depends where you live, but most state care is pretty perfunctory. The patient has very little say or control over when the carers visit so can be put to bed at 4.30 pm until 8.30 am if that suits the roster. The quality of care varies massively and sometimes communication can be very difficult. Imho, family need to coordinate and advocate for their parents. And do their shopping, wash clothes and attend to things in their house that need fixing in addition to what carers do. And take them out so that they can attend hospital appointments and on a few expeditions to add to their quality of life. And be available for emergencies. That’s the minimum I would say.

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:12

Uricon2 · 29/06/2025 19:07

IMO OP thinks that their nihilistic utterances somehow exude languid cool. They're not, they're trite. You do you, though.

The caregiving is a separate matter. It isn't for everyone and people shouldn't be forced into it.

And I think you don't have much imagination or overview of what life entails. But that's fine.

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Uricon2 · 29/06/2025 19:16

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:12

And I think you don't have much imagination or overview of what life entails. But that's fine.

24/7 carer for several years now, last 2.5 to a totally bedbound husband. I think I know.

ShiftingSand · 29/06/2025 19:16

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 10:14

Yeah but the reason I don't have kids is that I hate hate all that stuff. I don't want anyone relying on me. If a social worker billeted an old person in my house I'd just go and live in another city for six months in the hope the problem went away.

I'm not saying it makes me a fab reliable person I'm just saying this is me.

What happens if your husband needs care in old age? Will you walk away? (No judgement here).

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:19

Breathableflaps778 · 29/06/2025 19:11

Wow. Since when did love become so transactional?

With the exception of those who are abusive, most parents have, generally speaking, already given up quite a lot to give their children a good life. It’s usual to want to honour everything they have done for us by at least helping a little when they are old.

Do you love your parents op? Does your dh love his parents? Leaving caring aside, do you like them as people? Does their value to you suddenly diminish when they become less able? Does it change them in your eyes fundamentally as people?

Love isn’t just a social concept; it’s a verb and usually involves practical action of some sort.

We all grow ill and incapacitated at some point in our lives. Very few of us can survive without the help of others eventually.

I never understand the logic behind the argument of “having children is selfish; we didn’t ask to be born” because that applies to the entire human race! Not one person on this earth asked to be born but in every case , even the crappiest of mothers went through nine months of pregnancy and birth to bring us in to the world, our parents then kept us alive while we were young and vulnerable, facilitated our education and friendships, fed us, washed our clothes and cleaned our homes and supported us financially and emotionally, and taught us about the world. I think after all of that you have to be pretty cold, or up yourself, to think that you owe them absolutely nothing in return!

Again, to reiterate, I am NOT saying that this applies to abusive parents! But neglect and abuse can work both ways imho.

I don’t expect my dc to ever give me personal care as we have made financial provision for that, but I’d be pretty disappointed if they didn’t feel able to advocate for me if I became incapacitated. Or that the fact that I became ill; would actually put them off coming to see me. I would hope that our relationships wouldn’t be as shallow as that. Are people only worthy of love when they are fit and independent?

Op I think your honesty is good actually but what would you do if, God forbid, you or your husband became incapacitated by a stroke say? Do you think that your dh wouldn’t love you as much if you were ill and disabled? I am not saying it would be all be a bed of roses by any means, and we all have different strengths, but would you really expect to be abandoned to your fate and left mostly alone by those closest to you? And if you don’t, why is it ok for you to do that to your parents? And why is it ok that you rely on your siblings to do the majority of the less pleasant tasks, because it isn’t. No one enjoys the drudgery of the tasks involved but they do it out of love for the person they are helping.

And, to answer your question op, it depends where you live, but most state care is pretty perfunctory. The patient has very little say or control over when the carers visit so can be put to bed at 4.30 pm until 8.30 am if that suits the roster. The quality of care varies massively and sometimes communication can be very difficult. Imho, family need to coordinate and advocate for their parents. And do their shopping, wash clothes and attend to things in their house that need fixing in addition to what carers do. And take them out so that they can attend hospital appointments and on a few expeditions to add to their quality of life. And be available for emergencies. That’s the minimum I would say.

Yes but every mother who chose to have children did it for herself, not for the child. The fact that the human race has continued through all sorts of horrors - through the pre sewerage era!!! - is astounding to me. Making conscious minds to exist and suffer all manner of horrors and nobody seems to feel bad about it. They should. Every awful suffering anyone ever experiences is because someone wanted a cute baby for their own purposes.

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Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:19

This is a digression, though. My point is - no I don't feel I owe anyone anything.

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Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:21

Uricon2 · 29/06/2025 19:16

24/7 carer for several years now, last 2.5 to a totally bedbound husband. I think I know.

And you think my world view is anything besides practical? Ok.

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Uricon2 · 29/06/2025 19:21

ShiftingSand · 29/06/2025 19:16

What happens if your husband needs care in old age? Will you walk away? (No judgement here).

Yeah, one day she might find an "old person" "billeted in her house" needing care and support and he'll be wearing her wedding ring. Perhaps though it will be the OP who needs help.

Ddakji · 29/06/2025 19:21

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:19

This is a digression, though. My point is - no I don't feel I owe anyone anything.

So you’re not a part of society, really, are you?

Comedycook · 29/06/2025 19:22

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:19

This is a digression, though. My point is - no I don't feel I owe anyone anything.

Do you care about them? Love them? I understand you don't want to do anything for them...but do you at least care what happens to them?

Ddakji · 29/06/2025 19:22

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 19:19

Yes but every mother who chose to have children did it for herself, not for the child. The fact that the human race has continued through all sorts of horrors - through the pre sewerage era!!! - is astounding to me. Making conscious minds to exist and suffer all manner of horrors and nobody seems to feel bad about it. They should. Every awful suffering anyone ever experiences is because someone wanted a cute baby for their own purposes.

Why are you still here then? I mean, here, alive, living?

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