Where is the money going to come from to meet the UK people expectations?

[Pandersmum]

So assuming that:

• everyone who receives disability benefits needs them and may actually believe they should be entitled to more
• pensioner benefits are non negotiable and again many believe they should be greater than current
• working people (most) believe they are already taxed highly and believe they cannot be taxed any more without further impact to their feeling of unfairness and resentment of the system
• it is unreasonable to expect young people with ADHD or other similar ND disorders / mental health challenges to work, even if they have qualifications and therefore they must be financially supported by the state
• Mental health challenges are very real in any age of person and therefore they must be financially supported by the state and if in work, by their employers
• rent (whatever level) should be supported by the state because it is a basic right to have a home
• NHS treatment (& the best treatment) should be free be all, no matter how expensive it is or whatever their age because people pay their taxes
• businesses are businesses and are there to make profits for their owners - therefore they can choose which country they operate in / pay their taxes in - if they don’t like the UK tax system, they can move somewhere else
• ’in work benefits’ are necessary to support ‘low paid workers, often in essential jobs’ to gain similar amounts of financial remuneration to those on benefits
• high net worth individuals can move if they don’t like the UK tax system

So just where is the money going to come from to fund the UK population of financial expectation of what the state should provide?

Where do you think it should come from OP?

@LadyKenyaanswered just like a politician

Where it comes from now OP, the international financial markets. Until they say no..you owe too much already! 🤯

maybe find a way to tax the the ultra rich who manage not to pay tax by having off shore accounts/ structures etc

and the whole economy needs to change so that the wages are higher and less benefit is needed in the first place.

I laughed at that😄. I think that they should be looking at the big corporations who use all the tools available to them, to pay as little tax as possible. Amazon etc.

Investment. If we invest in services we can support and improve people's mental health. We need to put more money into services, employ more people. Yes initial investment is expensive but long term it improves people's health reducing further costs on the nhs.it increases employment therefore increasing the income tax take. More people have more money so can spend more increasing VAT take. More money tends to mean better diets and less stress increasing health benefits.

More availability of jobs tends to mean more options for people so low paid jobs will need to offer better wages increasing income tax etc.

Unfortunately that is a long term strategy and our politics don't work like that because short term it will hurt.

The only way to improve things is for the money to move

A grown up conversation needs to be had about the relationship between income tax and good public services. People seem to want good public services without paying for them now.

You don’t need more money to build more houses.

you need to relax the planning system.

Exactly this! I watched something recently don’t know exact dates when it occurred as could be an old video, basically water company employees all with an average MINIMUM pay of £500,000+ per year! Being payed ridiculous ‘bonuses’ by other company’s poison OUR water system with god knows what! Why is that money not being put into the pot?? Why are we not being told?

I can assure you there are 1000’s of other company’s government included with these ridiculous advantages.. why can people not see that people on benefits whether disabled or not and pensioners get the blame for downfall😂
hence years ago the channel 4&5 documentaries of the tiniest shithole in Clacton, it was basically a here you go this is where your taxes go.. of course it does🤪

I don’t know. That’s why I am asking.

Personally I think people have too high of an expectation of what they should have as a basic everyday life requirement. If they don’t have certain things their e.g mental health will be impacted, or their children will suffer.

I think the expectations of level of state support needs to reduced but that’s quite unpalatable to people receiving support / politicians in power.

I would tax inheritance much earlier

1. this wealth is usually unearned and based on house prices that have risen disproportionately over the decades

2. inheritance is dividing society - your ability to buy a house or live near a good school depends not on your actions but the actions and luck of your parents

3. the super rich have a lot of wealth that they hold onto - that doesn’t benefit society at any time . Inheritance is one way to target the super rich - so I would have a new super rich inheritance tax band

perhaps 10% at 200k rising to 50% for a million or more

Isn't AI the answer? I thought it was going to take all our jobs? Presumably for the purpose of doing everything we need doing, everything the people were doing in their jobs to make money and supply services so the money will come in without people needing to work. We can use the resources and money generated to fund these sorts of things. Assuming of course the money AI creates is shared out equally across the population/is put into public services and doesn't just go to a few people at the top.

Plenty of ND people and those with mental health conditions work and pay taxes. I don’t think there is an expectation that they shouldn’t unless their conditions are severe.

You are assuming everyone wants all the things you listed. Putting that aside for a moment, there is no one thing as a magic bullet. Some ideas:

• There are too many loopholes and exemptions, close some of them. Especially for corporate taxes.
• A lot more things are free at the point of use than was the case 20 years ago, start to charge a reduced rate for them.
• Some of the pension benefits starting not at retirement age but later.
• Changing the way we buy and sell houses so it is simpler (Scottish system whilst not perfect would be an improvement for England and Wales).
• Some new taxes for genuine luxuries.

The government currently borrow £150 billion per year to keep the plates spinning. An ever increasing amount and the interest needed to cover the debt is now at 8.4% of government spending or 3.4% of GDP.

Government spending is already 45% of the economy and growing as the private sector declines under the tax burden.

The future liabilities being hidden away are staggering. Public sector pensions alone have a £2.6 trillion liability, that's the same as one year of GDP.

We are so screwed.

So turf out grannies onto the street or force them to buy small flats in areas they don't like?

I think the biggest issue is wasteful government spending

Well, net contributor immigrants like myself might have been one way, but Keir wants us out, so am making my plans to leave.

Both ND and mental illness vary massively in how they impact a person one person with autism maybe independent, working full time, in a relationship have children etc,whereas another person with autism maybe non verbal ( as in unable to speak at all) be unable to care for themselves at all need 1:1 super vision at all times and all the other presentations in between
With mental illness at one end of the scale yoy can have someone suffering with mild anxiety and at the other end someone who has a severe and enduring mental illness such as schizophrenia, and is acutely psychotic
Agsin disability benefits don't go off a diagnosis they go off how that diagnosis impacts a person
And just becsuss a person has a disability doesn't mean they will be entitled to benefits.

Firstly, over half of UK households take more out of the system than they pay in.

Secondly, 60% of all income tax is paid by the top 10% of earners, so we are quite reliant on the super earners for funding.

It's an unsustainable system where no one is willing to budge or compromise.

I think the biggest mistake is the change in benefits originally being introduced as a helping hand to get back on your feet, to a way of life and a choice for lots.

EVERYONE can name families/people that are perfectly capable of working but don't.

There needs to be a huge change to make working a big advantage over not working.

There also needs to be far more social housing, with priority given to those who work earning low wages.

AI thread...boring.

It isn't going to come from anywhere.

The UK is broke.

The Government is lying to you.

They were hoping you were too stupid to ask the question you did.

I agree. I an ND and manage to work and support my family with no additional benefits but I am of an age on ‘no early diagnosis, especially for women’.

Early diagnosis and the opportunity for benefits gives some young people an option not too work. It’s just too much effort! Not all though.

I am very much real!

Your super earners are leaving thanks to being lumped in with supposed " boat people'.