Where is the money going to come from to meet the UK people expectations?

[Pandersmum]

So assuming that:

• everyone who receives disability benefits needs them and may actually believe they should be entitled to more
• pensioner benefits are non negotiable and again many believe they should be greater than current
• working people (most) believe they are already taxed highly and believe they cannot be taxed any more without further impact to their feeling of unfairness and resentment of the system
• it is unreasonable to expect young people with ADHD or other similar ND disorders / mental health challenges to work, even if they have qualifications and therefore they must be financially supported by the state
• Mental health challenges are very real in any age of person and therefore they must be financially supported by the state and if in work, by their employers
• rent (whatever level) should be supported by the state because it is a basic right to have a home
• NHS treatment (& the best treatment) should be free be all, no matter how expensive it is or whatever their age because people pay their taxes
• businesses are businesses and are there to make profits for their owners - therefore they can choose which country they operate in / pay their taxes in - if they don’t like the UK tax system, they can move somewhere else
• ’in work benefits’ are necessary to support ‘low paid workers, often in essential jobs’ to gain similar amounts of financial remuneration to those on benefits
• high net worth individuals can move if they don’t like the UK tax system

So just where is the money going to come from to fund the UK population of financial expectation of what the state should provide?

There is no other issue than a bloated public sector that gets paid rather well for mostly producing inadequate 'work'.

I didn't mention Local Govt before did I? Hugely overpaid for most of the 'work' that they do - most spend their time shuffling and creating paper. They think they're actually doing something vitally important, but after mountains of paper are moved - services are reduced but yet, all their benefits are fully paid.

This!

I am so tired of the straw-man arguments against benefits. There may be people who think all of these points, but I have never seen any polls that indicate that the majority think this or even any of these points. Many sound absurd anyway. It's akin to arguments like "the leftist boogie-men want us all to suffer".

Really tired of the BS.

The multiplier effect.

Raising benefits (for example lifting the two child benefit cap), increasing wages, done via minimum wage increases that happened in April, and increasing investment by government all increase demand. People with more money, particularly at the lower end of the scale, will spend it.

This creates demand for more jobs as more people are needed to staff supermarkets and building firms (to build houses).

These new staff have increased wages, either from being unemployed and now employed, or in better paid jobs. They then spend their money, leading to more demand. And so on. Greater spending and investment leads to higher GDP which is how we define growth.

It's already happening, it just takes time to show in the figures.

How does putting a farm in trust change its economic viability ? Do the cows produce more milk ?

There is nothing wrong with having an offshore company or bank account, it is perfectly legal. What most people don't seem to realise though is that as soon as you bring any of this income into the UK to live on, pay your mortgage, go to Tesco you are taxed on that money just the same as everyone else so it is perfectly fair. It does mean that all savings are held out of the UK as it is too prohibitive to invest it in the UK.

Same for the 'dom toms' that have left, they made money in another country and paid their taxes in that country but any money they brought into the UK was taxed in the UK. Now Labour want to tax them twice on business income, why would they ever want to stay.

I agree with the carers issue. My cousins daughter is Aparently my cousins carer. She applied to get reduced offers from Unis for next year. She gets paid. She’s currently in Aiya Napa, doesn’t care for her mother as her mother doesn’t need it. He mother does all the cooking cleaning etc etc. when first kid goes off to uni the plan is to get the carers allowance for the second kid. Etc etc. It’s all too easy to lie and meanwhile the kids get Uni reduced offers. So triple scam!

It cuts IHT so the farm doesn’t have to be sold off in full or in bits to pay the bill.

I think benefit and wages are the largest area. If wages were adequate to meet things like super high housing costs then people would not need to top up with benefits.
Equally benefits are still a lifestyle choice for people who claim they have children and that’s why they can’t work. There is a lot of support in place in terms of childcare and expectations need to be changed with regards to this.
I strongly believe employers need to be more flexible and inclusive because mostly there is a job for everyone out there - even if it is very minimal hours. Obviously there are exceptions to this but so many people could work if there was more support to do so.

Ds1 has just changed his job due to the office attendance being increased. He has adhd and struggles with things and the wfh really helps him. He's now found a two days a week office attendance job. He's a higher level taxpayer. These employers are so shortsighted.

I’ve never asked. People just seem to tell me. Maybe I’ve got one of those faces. My dh must too as a football friend of his was very ‘happy’ his son
was diagnosed with ADHD as he gets money for it. The dad that is. Wierd way of looking at such a diagnosis but the point is…..
Some people are happy to shout about it.

I thought so

I don’t have a problem with it and wish him the best of luck.

However it seems disingenuous for the PP to suggest this was not tax motivated

Although most of the Glastonbury money does go to charity and I don’t see many people putting much that way these days. So. Good for them and 🙏 Thankyou

"No man is compelled to arrange his affairs so the taxman can put the largest possible shovel into them"

Plus. Anyone with half a brain and a decent amount would set up trusts to save it from Hmrc

You don't automatically get money just because your child has a diagnosis because it is based on care need, not diagnosis.

Applying for DLA isn't easy and you need plenty of evidence if you are claiming your child has greater care needs compared to other children of the same age.

Many children with ADHD don't get DLA.

I would do a root and branch reform of local government. The waste of money on duplication of services and countless personnel doing bugger all - it’s criminal.

Health tourism : ends tomorrow. No other country in the world is so weak. No, you cannot go from Heathrow to the hospital with no papers and no means of paying. Recoup costs from the airline is one route.

Child benefit paid to foreign workers - why? - costs billions. Apparently all Bulgarian workers here have 12 children each back home. Recently there was a bust of something like this - but it generally seems to be unchecked.

Where's the quote from ?

And they can change. It happened with university. We all accept that if you want to go to university you have to (mostly) pay for it, and tuition won’t be free nor will the State pay you to attend, as in years gone by. Same with dentistry - there is widespread acceptance of the effective privatisation of dentistry in the UK. Millions of people go private and/or have taken out insurance.

Expectations will lower, it just takes time.

I’m aware. They applied and got it. We know the boy well as known the family for years. They were shocked they got the money

We need to value and respect education more. Schools need to be able to remove disruptive pupils more easily so those who want to learn, can.

Too many people leave school without any qualifications and are NEET. A return to free technical colleges that teach plumbing, electrics, bricklaying, roofing, car maintenance, cooking etc would make all the difference.

PIP needs to be brought under control. Means testing it would be a good start. Our finance director receives pip she spends on a Motability car, but has a house in the home counties and a holiday home on the continent.

Scrap UC top ups. Employers need to offer a liveable wage. Employees need to work as many hours as possible. Universal wrap around care and holiday clubs at primary schools would help parents work full time.

The govt needs to get tough with absent parents. Remove passports until they pay half of their children's costs.

Speed up asylum claims processing. Not being left in limbo for months is in everyone's interests. Deport those who are not eligible, quickly.

Our pensions are already very low compared to other European countries so hard to see what to cut there. I'd like to see genuine grants for improving insulation of our pensioners' homes, paid through longstanding skilled tradesmen, not the current nonsense with money handed to cowboys who don't know what they are doing, overcharge, rip people off and then go bankrupt to avoid being pursued. Then the WFA would be needed less.

If we want to improve things for the long term we need to invest carefully, not just throw money at the latest buzz words.

Why did they apply for it then?

What expectations do you expect will lower.

Do you know which rate they get for him? I'm assuming it isn't the highest one.

I’m sorry. I don’t understand what you are saying. Where did I say that those requiring help should not be supported?

It’s exactly because some people will always need Government help that we need to address the over demands of the current situation. Things cannot carry on as current.

Please can you tell me what you mean by ‘internal ableism’?

Their doctor told them to. Their doctor also being a mum at the football club.