Where is the money going to come from to meet the UK people expectations?

[Pandersmum]

So assuming that:

• everyone who receives disability benefits needs them and may actually believe they should be entitled to more
• pensioner benefits are non negotiable and again many believe they should be greater than current
• working people (most) believe they are already taxed highly and believe they cannot be taxed any more without further impact to their feeling of unfairness and resentment of the system
• it is unreasonable to expect young people with ADHD or other similar ND disorders / mental health challenges to work, even if they have qualifications and therefore they must be financially supported by the state
• Mental health challenges are very real in any age of person and therefore they must be financially supported by the state and if in work, by their employers
• rent (whatever level) should be supported by the state because it is a basic right to have a home
• NHS treatment (& the best treatment) should be free be all, no matter how expensive it is or whatever their age because people pay their taxes
• businesses are businesses and are there to make profits for their owners - therefore they can choose which country they operate in / pay their taxes in - if they don’t like the UK tax system, they can move somewhere else
• ’in work benefits’ are necessary to support ‘low paid workers, often in essential jobs’ to gain similar amounts of financial remuneration to those on benefits
• high net worth individuals can move if they don’t like the UK tax system

So just where is the money going to come from to fund the UK population of financial expectation of what the state should provide?

You know exactly how much all of the families receive in disability payments? I can't think of one friend that knows how much DLA my son gets.

This is exactly the type of solution the government should be looking at. Fundamentally trying to fix the issues.

I know how much relatives get and a couple of friends. They told me.

If the housing is very expensive, the UC housing element will cover some of it but very unlikely all of it.

My UC housing element covers all of my rent but that's because I don't live in an expensive area.

OK. If you say so. (The irony is that I am such a technical luddite I don’t even use AI 😂)

It's amazing that it is considered by some to be unreasonable even to ask how we're going to pay for it.

Thw answer is that we aren't.

The crash when it comes is going to be devastating.

I can understand close relatives and like you said, maybe a couple of friends. I suppose I'm just surprised that pp seems to know what all those families get in great detail to be able to accurately compare them all.

It isn't something that comes up with my friends and I'd find it odd if they started asking how much money I receive for my disabled child.

Your contradicting yourself there in the first two exsmp!e you say they receive some sort of disability payment and in your second example you say your friend with two severely autistic sons receives the same level of payment ,as the other two
How do.you know when you don't know what level your first two example ,s get ?there's three levels of care and two levels of Mobility in DLA.

This is exactly what I'm meaning.

What are you talking about as regards ADHD. You don’t get anything for ADHD and most people with it work.

The only people I want and who should be
diagnosing and treating young adults as regards ADHD is the NHS not bloody tinpot job centres. That’s utterly ridiculous. The NHS do an amazing course for ADHD suffers they diagnose where I live after meds are stabilised unfortunately the waiting lists to get a NHS diagnosis are insane.

@Daffodilsarefading housing benefit hasn't kept pace with rent rises, so rarely covers anyone's whole rent:

housingdigital.co.uk/housing-benefit-just-doesnt-cover-the-rent/

The government does not have any cash of its own, they get it from taxes, borrow it (but still have to pay it back with interest) or print it.

Indeed. Dan Neidle has published a graph on LinkedIn showing that for the %of GDP that is spent on public services, the UK has the lowest rate of tax on the average worker. Or to put it another way, no other country manages to spend more on public services without taxing ‘ordinary people’ at a higher rate than we do.

The UK is a fairly unproductive country due to historically low investment , fixing that would increase govt revenues. We are also relatively lightly taxed compared to other countries so most people should be prepared to pay more. We also have quite levels of inequality which means that a bit of wealth redistribution would help a bit

I’m genuinely interested in how people would solve the problem that there simply isn’t enough Govt money to give everyone what they want.

People need to get their head out of the sand. The ‘lack of money’ problem isn’t going to go away by itself and is getting worse by the day.

I’m sorry you find the topic repetitive. Maybe it concerns some of us more than you.

Agree OP - just where is all the money to come from?

Everyone thinks that they are worth it, meaning receiving money from the public purse, but there just isn't enough to go round.

Easy targets are the people inable to be full contributors for a myriad of reasons but I'd rather focus my gaze on the coasting paid public sector workers - the Reddit Civil Service thread can be very illuminating in how being unproductive is rewarded. And the best pension in the UK to boot.

A toxic NHS - created by and helped along by the toxic people that have moved up the ranks. eg: fuck the new recruits as I'm a bad bitch and will keep them at my heel.

Who wants to work in schools? The best teachers are eased out by incapable teachers who played the promotion game and won. Please enter SLT.

The list goes on.....

Or to be more accurate, he has placed his working family farm in trust so it can continue to be economically viable producing the food we all eat, as a working family farm in the future. Mixed farming in the UK typically returns between 0.5% and 1.5% per annum.

Glastonbury Festival made £5.9m in 2023, of which £5.2m was donated to charity. The remainder was rolled forward to fund the prep for the festival in 2024.

Same it's not something you go shouting about is it ?

Housing costs are definitely a huge issue and a huge welfare cost as UC supports those costs going to (some) greedy landlords charging high rents because they can.

Ban the rich from banking in tax haven countries. Brexit has made a helluva lot of money for the government due to taxes and duties paid by companies. Where is that money going as it was a source of income prior to Brexit?
My previous boss who owns a worldwide company, banks in the caymans, he was a Tory donor and got Covid transport contracts.

People seem to know the minutae of people's medical records and finances. I've never asked anyone about their disability or benefits.

Housing costs are the issue. If they were under control a lot of these other problems would disappear. But governments are scared of house prices falling, so they don't really want to tackle them.

I think so too. It feels like it’s backward so we have increasing x number of people who are entitled to y so we need to come up with z.

As a country we want the welfare and state support of a left wing country but paid for with the taxs of America.

The vast majority are delusional about how expensive it is to meet the expectations they demand.

Exactly.

Like I said too, it's also weird for a friend to ask about. If a friend asked me, I'd laugh and say it isn't any of their business.