Where are the trans men?

[BlueandPinkSwan]

Just that really, we are always hearing about men wanting to 'become women'. Phycially, mentally and emotionally impossible, but why aren't women rushing to do the same thing in reverse?
Just interested to know as I'm gender critical, and hate the patriarcal society we live in.
Is it because men wouldn't accept it as a trans man being part of their tribe but women are forced to put up with trans women invading /trying to enter into woman only spaces?

They are there, they’re just not quite as vocal and visible about taking women’s rights as men.

I imagine there’s a huge element of them being male too so generally are given far more air time, tend to dominate, and continue to show the world how male they are with their reactions and entitlement.

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I've never knowingly met a transwoman. But I do have two transmen family. So for me it feels like where are all the trans women?

I don't know why anyone would want to become a man. It's not like they've got the greatest reputation as a species. But people clearly do feel that way.

I'm a bit concerned for my young trans family members for if they realise they are in fact their bio sex, as they've had 'top surgery'. It must be hard to say you want to go back to how you were originally.

I could quite easily pretend to be a transwoman and post these things myself. Have you met any of these people in real life?

If someone is trans and wants the trans community to be accepted that would not be the way to go about it. It is so, so detrimental to them.

If someone wanted the trans community to to be hated this is the perfect way to go about it.

Taking that into account I'd say it's far more likely that the ones against trans would post such stuff.

Yet this is what they're doing.

Its not difficult to identify some of these people. It's not some undercover operation.

Just typical male entitlement, aggression and misogyny.

The mistake you're making is thinking the people involved want to win hearts and minds. They don't. They want to intimidate and force into submission.

Yes. It’s quite telling the sheer number of prominent TW with, let’s say, tricky backgrounds with women, DV, close links to paedophilia, all neatly under the carpet in order to accept their true selves.

Haven’t been on Twitter for ages but Rip4xnutmeg collected a lot of these cases.

As usual.

I've often thought that when its M2F, often its sports that they like to 'excel' in, claiming biology doesn't matter and win awards.
If biology isn't important why aren't F2M winning in 'male' sports, if biology isn't important..surely it wouldn't make any difference...oh wait...
The F2M I know gave up their sport, female version of typical male sport, and 2 went into coaching instead. Why not switch to male game?

The men who are showering naked in front of your female spouse don't know either, do they?

Do you think people should have a right to know the sex of the officials in front of whom they are required to undress? Do you think people should have a right to object and withold their consent to undressing in front of officials who are the opposite sex?

Have you read the SC judgment? It set out very clearly how the equality act, and especially the protected characteristics of sex and sexual orientation, are made incoherent and unworkable if rights are based on a cerificate instead of actual sex. What do you think about that? What does your spouse think?

That would be an astonishingly successful undercover operation. They've been saying this stuff for well over a decade and the 'trans community' has had nothing to say about any of it.

There's no need for an undercover operation anyway, they are doing it in plain sight and the 'trans community' is cheering them on.

I believe there are more trans women than trans men because men generally present a much more hostile environment to exist in unless you subscribe to fairly strict borders, whereas women are socialised to be much more tolerant of many kinds of women. This leads to men who don’t fit the scope longing to fit elsewhere.

I know two trans men and no trans women. One is very quiet and keeps to himself. The other is very vocal on trans rights and will often be part of the protesting and campaigning.

There is a male boxer who has won in their weight class who is trans.

Thinking about the PP whose trans husband is a prison officer in a male prison and is allowed in the showers with the male inmates.

What about strip searches?

Would a trans prison officer or a police officer be allowed to carry out a strip search on someone of the opposite sex?

That’s the point. A male boxer shouldn’t be in the female competition! That he says he is a woman shouldn’t override reality.

I've become good friends with a trans man at work. I don't even remember/consider the fact he was born female, unless we are discussing trans issues in general. But it is knowing him and having those discussions that makes me realise it isn't as simple as "use the bathroom you were assigned as birth". He'd get lynched walking into the ladies!

Also entirely possible that they wouldn't feel safe. A lot of mens sport is still wildly homophobic. If they can't accept gay people can live alongside them without wanting to jump on them, I don't suppose they're very understanding of trans people either.

Boxers are notoriously the sorts of men who feel 'unsafe'. What with being boxers and all.

So men who identify as women can punch women in the boxing ring, because otherwise they might encounter transphobia?
Hardly a winning argument is it?

There are many TiFs. Generally, though, their reasons/motivations for doing it are different.

There's a huge element of misogyny in TiM which leads (some of) them to behave very aggressively towards women. TiF generally just want to be able to get on with their lives in peace and unnoticed.

Despite people's adherence to TWAW and TMAM, everyone knows deep down that they haven't really changed sex. So everyone knows whose wants and demands to prioritise and whose to ignore.

There are some people who are very uncomfortable with the idea of women being able to say no to men, women's needs being prioritised over men's wants and men 'losing out' because of women.

Female people don't pose any threat to males.

When a TM wanted access to a gay male sauna, the men refused on the basis she wasn't a real man. The men's wants/rights were upheld.

Conversely, women have been denied medical treatment, for saying they wanted to he treated by a woman and not a man who said he was one.

Even before the ruling, TM weren't considered real men - eg primogenture laws didn't recognise them as men and no company has ever recognised a TM for an award aimed at recognising men. Whereas TiMs have not only won but been applauded and celebrated for winning women's business awards and even beauty contests where they wouldn’t have even been the most attractive man in the room! A woman who looked like them wouldn't even have entered.

TM are largely ignored because a) they pose no threat to men and b) society still sees them as women.

Yes. And it has been happening.

The ruling said that this should no longer happen but one of the police forces came put afterwards and said they were still going to permit it.

No
He's a TransMAN (hence He not She)
So he fights MEN
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricio_Manuel

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricio_Manuel

He's a professional boxer, he might not feel safe but he's done well

Except we are talking about a transMAN

So he's hitting men...