To think the US was right to bomb Iran? What am I missing?

[Lastu]

I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

No, it isn't. As I have previously said, Obama negotiated a deal with the Iranians which Trump pulled the US out of in his first term as president. Talks were due to begin again, so Israel started bombing Iran and the meeting was cancelled.

Independent experts have said that Iran isn't on the verge of developing a nuclear weapon:

Kelsey Davenport, director for non-proliferation policy at the US-based Arms Control Association, told the BBC on Friday that Israel's prime minister "did not present any clear or compelling evidence that Iran was on the brink of weaponizing".

I doubt OP's declaration that she is very left wing as she sounds like a neocon hawk.

Have you seen the cretin running the place? And the right wingers in Congress?

Come on. No-one on this thread is going to buy that the Nazis and Japanese were fighting for ‘freedom and democracy’. That’s why the US developed nuclear weapons.

Those checks and balances don't seem to be working though
And Trump and his supporters have suggested a third term which is against their constitution
Trump is edging closer and closer to being a dictator

Israel is democratic and our ally. These posts are just fiction or perhaps antisemitic.

A timeline of conflict between Israel and Iran | AP News

What a silly comment. The more powerful nations decide. If someone hostile to you is storing up bullets and making a gun to kill you and your family and friends, and you're stronger than him, you're going to take the gun off him aren't you? Or would you just say, oh well, its not up to me to decide if he can have a gun or not? The fact that Iran conducts itself as a medieval country with medieval beliefs means it has to be treated like a backwards child, who is a danger to itself and others. If Iran is allowed nuclear weapons what do you think will happen? They will immediately fire them at Israel. Then what do you think Israel will do? Fire back. What do you think will happen then? Go on, have a guess.

Apparently closing Strait of Hormuz is being seriously considered by Iran- and expert warn economic shock caused by closing the strait could be worse than the one caused by Russia's invasion of Ukraine - it's the world's most important oil transit choke point.

Iran having nucks was bad idea - but not sure this was the best approach or that it's not been hugely influence/cyncially exploited by internal politics in Israel and USA.

Maybe to protect itself from the war-mongering nearby nation run by the belligerent Netanyahu. The nation that DOES currently have a huge nuclear arsenal and little regard for international law. The nation that has conducted years of illegal occupation and extra-judicial killings. Which targets hospitals and civilians.

We really should not want to be their ally at the moment. Cut it out with your antisemitic nonsense.
Not all Israelis support their government either, you do know that?

Yes if posters would think this through

Since Jimmy Carter misjudged Iran and issued in by funding and enabling the extremist Shia muslims Iran has been the cause of a lot of the disputes and terrorism in the region. Obama tried to buy them off with 1.7 billion dollars the strategy has been keep them sweet with cash payments.

Iran continued funding terrorism in the region so that failed,Iran funded the Houti rebels,Hezbollah (Lebanon), Hamas, Shia Militias in Iraq and Syria Fatemiyoun Division (Afghan) and Zaynabiyoun Brigade (Pakistani)

There's a lot of reports that a lot of the youth in Iran are atheists and have turned away from religion, up to 60% are non-muslim when surveyed.

I think that Israel is losing support in America through demographics and saw it as a last chance to do something about Iran, and if the USA does a short campaign and doesn't get dragged into a long forever ground war it could be a good thing.
So far they have only attacked military sites and have been careful to avoid civilians, I hope they have the intelligence to know when to stop.

This sums it up.
My enemy's enemy must be my friend.
I remember Iran before the revolution, it had many problems but the women were educated and free. They didn't have their eyes gouged out for disobeying a rule.
Iran has created and fuelled much of the conflict in the middle east.

@Lastu Some people on the political left have a very strange fetish for Islam and Islamic nations. It makes no sense as Islam (like all Abrahamic religions) is very right wing, and is much more right wing than Christianity.

That's like saying the rich deserve more respect than the poor tbh.

Just because it seems to be the majority view doesn't make it right!

How's that going for the USA at the moment?

@kielifor I remember Iran before the revolution

Did you live in Iran back then? If yes, it's interesting to be able to talk to someone with a living memory of pre-revolution Iran and we would like to hear more.

The CiA overthrew the democratically elected regime in Iran in 1953.

Do you really think the US is a democracy? They are a Uniparty bought by corrupt donors with an owned media and increasingly authoritarian. USA is an oligarchy and have been funding and equiping a genocide.

Yesterdays actions make it more likely that in 5 or 10 years Iran will have nuclear weapons.

I've a question for ME experts, why doesn't Saudi get involved? I used to live there years ago and many/most loathed the Iranian regime. Rather than it being seen as a US/Israel thing why don't the rich big ME guns like Saudi get involved anc at least voice their support?

And thinking through what the pp has talked about. How are you certain it wouldn’t happen and can’t you see why pretty much all leaders want to avoid it?

Yeah, you're trolling us if you think you're left wing.

If you think there's anything normal about what's happening in the US , you're not left wing

It's always different - historically an external source of strife tends to unify a disunited group till external threat is gone - though not always.

We have to be careful we aren't see what we want - ie what we think should happen.

USA experts thought Afghanistan army would hold against the Talban - and that Ukraine would crumble immediately - they still seem to have attitude that Ukraine must surrended - Ukraine publically said their last drone strikes would change USA stance towards them. We often gets other countries and cultures very wrong.

They'd be better of funding poltcial opponents in Iran and supply them (suspect they may well be doing that ) - rather than bombing.

Rallying around Iran having nuclear capability really is an own goal if in the U.K.

It would appear under its new regime since january, the top brass don't give a fuck about anoyone apart from America.
They want what they can get out of it for themselves. Trump is such a gob shite and deluded he needs a reality check as does Putin and other despot leaders.
Pity the bullet only grazed his ear.
Please do feel free to be offended someone.

So many people have become supporters of Iran because they are anti-Israel.