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To think the US was right to bomb Iran? What am I missing?

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Lastu · 22/06/2025 13:45

I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

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LlttledrummergirI · 22/06/2025 15:51

shuggles · 22/06/2025 15:45

@Lastu Some people on the political left have a very strange fetish for Islam and Islamic nations. It makes no sense as Islam (like all Abrahamic religions) is very right wing, and is much more right wing than Christianity.

And yet it is the right wing in America that kept a dead women and used her as an incubator until her body rotted, purely for Christian religious reasons.

All fundamentalists and religious extremes are as bad as each other and should be kept well away from power.

PothasProblem · 22/06/2025 15:51

In 1953 there was a coup supported by the US and UK which overthrew Iran's Prime Minister, the main driver was about Iran's sovereign rights to its own oil. Since then Iran has put millions into developing nuclear energy, so they don't have all their energy eggs in one basket. They don't want to have their right to enrich uranium taken away. There's no way Iran wants to throw away that effort. And the programme itself (in the absence of a bomb existing) is defensive for them because there's always the potential of developing one.

Iran had signed a non proliferation deal with Obama. Trump scrapped it. When people talk about Iran was given 6 months to come to talks and failed to do so resulting in the recent Iran/Israel war, they're talking about talks to get a deal to replace the one Trump scrapped. Iran has stepped up its uranium enrichment recently. Was this because they are actually working on a weapon, or was it as a point of leverage in these talks to get a better deal and economic sanctions removed?

Israel's Prime minister has said repeatedly over the last 20 years that Iran is close to making a nuclear bomb. With each repetition of this over the years, people may start to doubt the credibility of the statement. It has a bit of a whiff of the 45 minutes claim/dodgy dossier from our invasion of Iraq. Iran does have a nuclear program for engery/medical reasons but denies it is trying to make a bomb.

US national intelligence director said a few months ago that Iran was not close to developing nuclear weapons. A week ago CNN and the Wall Street Journal amongst others said they'd been briefed by US government that Iran was not currently persuing development of a bomb, and they were 3 years away from being able to deliver a nuclear bomb to any specific target. (enriched uranium is not the same thing as a useable bomb)

So it didn't look like this was an immediate threat which required a milatry intervention. There was likely time for more diplomacy. Recent attacks on Iran are likely to push them towards developing a bomb at greater speed to defend their population/country. Because they're now under actual attack, they're motivated in a way they weren't previously. Israel's strikes targeted nuclear scientists and military. They destroyed the physical infrastructure where they could. But they lack the big bombs that the US has which can destroy underground infrastructure. Israel PM likely told Trump he had to help now because the job Israel started a week ago needed to be finished, or else Iran's top priority would now be developing the bomb. Was Trump backed into an obvious corner here? Did he have another option? Has he actually completly removed Iran's ability to develop a bomb? Anything less would be dangerous as outlined above. And aside from that danger, what other conventional weapons might Iran use in response and against who? Will those be direct attacks against military targets in the region or the public? Or will they be terror style attacks? And the obvious point, that people have died and suffered and more will the longer this escalates and continues.

Questions101 · 22/06/2025 15:52

BeliesBelief · 22/06/2025 13:52

What? Wanting Iran - a hostile nation - not to get full nuclear missile capability is not the same thing as being against any country having nuclear weapons. Not sure what point you think you’re making…

Iran isnt hostile towards any other nation until it is provoked. Unlike other nations I can think of. Please look into it and ignore the brainwashing media.

Nachoinseachthu · 22/06/2025 15:53

Lastu · 22/06/2025 13:58

And democratically elected with a time limit on his presidency and checks and balances on his power.

But are you sure about that?

Vinvertebrate · 22/06/2025 15:54

kielifor · 22/06/2025 15:43

This sums it up.
My enemy's enemy must be my friend.
I remember Iran before the revolution, it had many problems but the women were educated and free. They didn't have their eyes gouged out for disobeying a rule.
Iran has created and fuelled much of the conflict in the middle east.

Absolutely this. My family actually has skin in the game here: DH is Iranian, SIL is in Tehran along with several other close relatives, bombs have fallen 5 blocks from the family home, presumably targeting military or nuclear personnel. We can’t talk to any of them unless they can get to an Internet cafe offering Starlink (ie Elon Musk-funded internet) because the Iranian government seemingly so beloved by the left has blocked the internet.

I dislike Trump and disagree with him on just about everything, but he is correct on this one. DH also thinks it’s a price worth paying for freedom from tyranny and Islamist fanatical rule.

Toomuchheattoday · 22/06/2025 15:54

Questions101 · 22/06/2025 15:52

Iran isnt hostile towards any other nation until it is provoked. Unlike other nations I can think of. Please look into it and ignore the brainwashing media.

As opposed I am to the current attacks on Iran I do not agree with this statement at all. Iran is a loony regime who sponsors terror organisations. I do wonder what is happening with those British hostages who went on their motorbikes in Iran to learn about love or whatever now….

CremeEggThief · 22/06/2025 15:55

Well done anyway OP, winding everyone up and making everyone furious, while you just sit back with your false naivete, calling yourself left-wing and stirring the pot. 👏 Nice!

cakeorwine · 22/06/2025 15:55

So what happens next?

And I am going to guess that people have long memories and this won't be forgiven or forgotten and will be revenged at some point....

Beachtastic · 22/06/2025 15:56

LlttledrummergirI · 22/06/2025 15:51

And yet it is the right wing in America that kept a dead women and used her as an incubator until her body rotted, purely for Christian religious reasons.

All fundamentalists and religious extremes are as bad as each other and should be kept well away from power.

But that was newsworthy, and memorable, because it was not commonplace.

I'd agree with you thought that extreme religion is always dangerous!

YourAmplePlumPoster · 22/06/2025 15:57

Lefties supporting a theocracy that viciously represses women, throwing them into jail for not wearing a hijab and hanging gays off a crane. The gift that keeps on giving.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 22/06/2025 15:58

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 22/06/2025 13:57

Sure, because pointing out that military strikes like this in an area that has already got very heightened tensions might lead to serious and wide-ranging consequences is exactly the same as whole-hearted support of Iran 🙄

This is what I am thinking, @GasperyJacquesRoberts. Here is a fundamentalist regime, run by some very hard line men, who have access to nuclear weapons - do we really want them to start retaliating with said nukes?

Clearly it would be infinitely better if they didn’t have them, or the capacity to make them, but poking an angry bear is not the right way to get him to sheath his claws.

Livelovebehappy · 22/06/2025 15:58

Of course Iran should be stopped in their tracks when it comes to developing nuclear weapons. The majority of rational sensible countries have the weapons as a deterrent. Iran would actually use them. They are one of the main countries producing and harbouring terrorists. They would nuke any country they didn't like because they're not afraid of death/repercussions, because they believe death will take them to a better place. Obviously destroying them won't mean they won't have nuclear weapons in the future but it will put them back 10 or 20 years. I'd be happy to see Iran wiped out as I suspect most the the world will be..

Zebedee999 · 22/06/2025 15:58

Nackyposter · 22/06/2025 13:48

So is Trump bombing all nuclear weapons depots? Including the US ones? Asking for a friend. 🙈🙉🙊

What a stupid comment on so many levels. Such ignorance at the risks of an Islamic state having the capability of dirty bombs today and nukes tomorrow. Leave strategy to the grown ups.

Questions101 · 22/06/2025 15:59

Screamingabdabz · 22/06/2025 14:09

It’s good that Trump had sent a message that he’s in the game and the west is not to be fucked with. I don’t know what all the kumbya pacifists think would happen if nutjobs like the Iranian regime were to wield ultimate power. And let’s not forget their lovely chums novochok-happy-Putin and the sneekily-take-over-and-enslave-Chinese.

These are not reasonable, rational, democratically elected politicians. These regimes are headed up by power-mad murderers and despots. If someone like Trump can give them a bloody nose and tell them to pipe down - then good.

Trump is the problem. If the US stopped propping up Israel we wouldnt have the isues in the near and middle east. Jews lived in harmony with all people until the uncontrolledmigration from europe started in the 1940s

cakeorwine · 22/06/2025 16:00

Zebedee999 · 22/06/2025 15:58

What a stupid comment on so many levels. Such ignorance at the risks of an Islamic state having the capability of dirty bombs today and nukes tomorrow. Leave strategy to the grown ups.

Do you think that by bombing Iran like this, the US and Israel have increased or decreased the chances of a dirty bomb detonating in their country at some point in the future?

Zebedee999 · 22/06/2025 16:00

Livelovebehappy · 22/06/2025 15:58

Of course Iran should be stopped in their tracks when it comes to developing nuclear weapons. The majority of rational sensible countries have the weapons as a deterrent. Iran would actually use them. They are one of the main countries producing and harbouring terrorists. They would nuke any country they didn't like because they're not afraid of death/repercussions, because they believe death will take them to a better place. Obviously destroying them won't mean they won't have nuclear weapons in the future but it will put them back 10 or 20 years. I'd be happy to see Iran wiped out as I suspect most the the world will be..

When you Say "Iran wiped out" you mean the regime.... in fact most of the Iranian population hope for the same thing.

It's bizarre some of the comments on here. Some imbeciles wanting the US to bomb Israel and the US itself. Baffling!

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 16:01

YourAmplePlumPoster · 22/06/2025 15:57

Lefties supporting a theocracy that viciously represses women, throwing them into jail for not wearing a hijab and hanging gays off a crane. The gift that keeps on giving.

It’s nonsense at this point, but assuming some pp are in the UK with dc pretty bad for us.

BuffysBigSister · 22/06/2025 16:01

Sharing the below link to a statement from Narges Mohammadi, an Iranian activist who has spent over 10 years in prison for her outspoken defence of democracy and women's rights in Iran.

"I have repeatedly emphasized that the Islamic Republic is a religious, authoritarian, and misogynistic regime—incapable of reform and systematically violating the fundamental rights of the Iranian people. I have spent nearly ten years in the cells and prisons of the Islamic Republic and remain committed to the struggle for a transition from this tyranny to democracy. And now—precisely at this intersection and in such a perilous moment—I raise my voice, as a defender of peace, democracy, and human rights, to say “No to war.” I do so because I firmly believe that democracy and peace will not emerge from the dark and terrifying corridors of war and violence. War destroys the capacity and the momentum of the people’s struggle for the establishment and consolidation of democracy."

Narges Mohammadi Calls for Immediate Ceasefire and an End to War - Narges Mohammadi Foundation

Narges Mohammadi Calls for Immediate Ceasefire and an End to War - Narges Mohammadi Foundation

Narges Mohammadi Calls for Immediate Ceasefire and an End to War To the United Nations Human Rights Bodies, Peace Advocates Worldwide, Global Media Outlets, Governments, and All Those Who Refuse to Stay Silent in the Face of War and Injustice, A devast...

https://narges.foundation/narges-mohammadi-calls-for-immediate-ceasefire-and-an-end-to-war/

Livelovebehappy · 22/06/2025 16:02

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 22/06/2025 15:58

This is what I am thinking, @GasperyJacquesRoberts. Here is a fundamentalist regime, run by some very hard line men, who have access to nuclear weapons - do we really want them to start retaliating with said nukes?

Clearly it would be infinitely better if they didn’t have them, or the capacity to make them, but poking an angry bear is not the right way to get him to sheath his claws.

But clearly if America and Israel have played their hand well, after their bombing of the sites there wont be any nuclear weapons being produced in Iran, so retaliation will be only air strikes or terrorist attempts.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 22/06/2025 16:02

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 22/06/2025 15:58

This is what I am thinking, @GasperyJacquesRoberts. Here is a fundamentalist regime, run by some very hard line men, who have access to nuclear weapons - do we really want them to start retaliating with said nukes?

Clearly it would be infinitely better if they didn’t have them, or the capacity to make them, but poking an angry bear is not the right way to get him to sheath his claws.

Of course lefties would love this as it WOULD TEACH Da Evuul WEST A LESSON as you will see on the crayons they use on their posters when marching through London.

Zebedee999 · 22/06/2025 16:03

cakeorwine · 22/06/2025 16:00

Do you think that by bombing Iran like this, the US and Israel have increased or decreased the chances of a dirty bomb detonating in their country at some point in the future?

The Iranian enrichment programme should have been stopped in it's tracks years ago. Biden just let it run fortunately Trump has stopped a nuke happening but a dirty bomb has been possible for a decade now due to weak world leaders past and present.

Chalk111111 · 22/06/2025 16:03

Toomuchheattoday · 22/06/2025 15:39

We really should not want to be their ally at the moment. Cut it out with your antisemitic nonsense.
Not all Israelis support their government either, you do know that?

That’s ideal global diplomacy. ‘We don’t want to be your friend’. See if you can get a job at the Foreign Office.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 22/06/2025 16:04

cakeorwine · 22/06/2025 15:55

So what happens next?

And I am going to guess that people have long memories and this won't be forgiven or forgotten and will be revenged at some point....

No -one knows - depends how various countries react.

It's why it was a risky action - could massivley escalate entire region and affect oil supply affecting world wide economies adversly - leading to another winter of high heating costs here - or cooler heads could prevail it could die down and go back to smaller tit for tat terroist attacks - or even ideal possibly weaken further the oppersive Iranian regime so that goes.

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/06/2025 16:05

YourAmplePlumPoster · 22/06/2025 15:57

Lefties supporting a theocracy that viciously represses women, throwing them into jail for not wearing a hijab and hanging gays off a crane. The gift that keeps on giving.

Firstly, no one here is supporting the theocracy.

Secondly, it's distasteful in the extreme for the Right to be diminishing whats going on to own the libtard lefties. Not a shit given about the people dying, the people living with increased risk or the costs of this stupid attack by stupid men.

Just making up stuff people haven't said to get a wee dig in. Shame on you.

cakeorwine · 22/06/2025 16:05

Zebedee999 · 22/06/2025 16:03

The Iranian enrichment programme should have been stopped in it's tracks years ago. Biden just let it run fortunately Trump has stopped a nuke happening but a dirty bomb has been possible for a decade now due to weak world leaders past and present.

And do you think the chances of one being used have increased or decreased?

Basically - has Trump made the world (or even the US / Israel) a safer place by doing this or has increased the possibility of revenge attacks against the US / Israel?