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To think the US was right to bomb Iran? What am I missing?

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Lastu · 22/06/2025 13:45

I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

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WhereIsMyJumper · 24/06/2025 10:12

Gloriia · 24/06/2025 10:09

Well get supporting CND or whatever it called nowadays then, let's go for a bit of global disarming.

In the short term I'm happy for a state sponsor of terrorism to have their nuke capability stopped. Bit like we can't wipe out all suicide bombers or terrorists but that doesn't stop security services from doing everything they can to stop attacks.

Well it’s only fair - if we let one or two suicide bombers carry out attacks we should let them all do it 🤯

Gloriia · 24/06/2025 10:14

WhereIsMyJumper · 24/06/2025 10:12

Well it’s only fair - if we let one or two suicide bombers carry out attacks we should let them all do it 🤯

Yes it's only fair! A new slogan for the Gretas.

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 10:18

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 10:04

This is a different question to the ‘it’s not fair’ stuff which is madness.

I think you’re forgetting c) what is Iran capable of in a few years if no action is taken

But don’t you think the strikes actually increase the likelihood of c? They’ve complicated efforts to track enriched uranium and ensure Iran doesn’t build a weapon, and risk driving the nuclear programme deeper underground—beyond the reach of inspections or diplomacy.

There’s also the potential for political fallout within Iran itself. Some within the Revolutionary Guards may now blame the civilian leadership for not pursuing a nuclear deterrent that could have prevented this attack.

The ill-considered assumption that I keep reading is that Iran would simply collapse or capitulate after such an attack. However, history suggests the opposite—external threats often unify even the most divided societies. I'm not sure we in the West have a sufficiently fine-grained understanding of Iran’s complex social fabric to navigate this with anything close to accuracy. A strike might weaken the Islamic Republic militarily, but politically, it could be the very thing that consolidates its grip.

WhereIsMyJumper · 24/06/2025 10:19

Gloriia · 24/06/2025 10:14

Yes it's only fair! A new slogan for the Gretas.

I fear in many instances there are a lot of loud mouth, slightly deranged, virtue signallers that have all of a sudden decided they are experts on foreign politics when, in reality, they are reducing complex situations down to something like a fairy tale.
Good vs Evil
We should all be sharing and caring and let everyone have nukes to play with

And don’t get me started on the irony of the so-called left supporting a regime like the one in Iran and decrying Trump and the US.

Christ, compared to Iran the US (even under Trump) IS left wing!

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 10:21

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 10:18

But don’t you think the strikes actually increase the likelihood of c? They’ve complicated efforts to track enriched uranium and ensure Iran doesn’t build a weapon, and risk driving the nuclear programme deeper underground—beyond the reach of inspections or diplomacy.

There’s also the potential for political fallout within Iran itself. Some within the Revolutionary Guards may now blame the civilian leadership for not pursuing a nuclear deterrent that could have prevented this attack.

The ill-considered assumption that I keep reading is that Iran would simply collapse or capitulate after such an attack. However, history suggests the opposite—external threats often unify even the most divided societies. I'm not sure we in the West have a sufficiently fine-grained understanding of Iran’s complex social fabric to navigate this with anything close to accuracy. A strike might weaken the Islamic Republic militarily, but politically, it could be the very thing that consolidates its grip.

Tough one. Why do you think Iran has 400kg of enriched uranium?

There’s no reason under the pre strike situation it wouldn’t go up. And as time passed Iran became stronger.

I can’t see just leave them to it until they really are in a good place for them is good way to go.

Gloriia · 24/06/2025 10:25

WhereIsMyJumper · 24/06/2025 10:19

I fear in many instances there are a lot of loud mouth, slightly deranged, virtue signallers that have all of a sudden decided they are experts on foreign politics when, in reality, they are reducing complex situations down to something like a fairy tale.
Good vs Evil
We should all be sharing and caring and let everyone have nukes to play with

And don’t get me started on the irony of the so-called left supporting a regime like the one in Iran and decrying Trump and the US.

Christ, compared to Iran the US (even under Trump) IS left wing!

Yes it's like a demonstration of people's intelligence imo, you see a keffiyeh and a 'what's wrong with Iran having a nuke' comment on X and you just know you are dealing with a 'Netanyahu wants to nuke hamas how dare he' mentality.

Fortunately, irl I have only come across supporters of the action against Iran. I think the protesters are limited to online or a few raggedy protesters with placards written in crayons who probably have no idea where Iran, Israel or gaza even are.

Beachtastic · 24/06/2025 10:47

These threads always go round and round in circles expressing the same points, which are never accepted, and everyone offends each other. War is a chaotic nightmare, horrible mistakes happen (like the IDF killing the hostages), world leaders are terrifying, Hamas is even more terrifying and deeply embedded among civilians (including, sadly, some very young), and Middle Eastern politics are insane. From the privileged comfort and safety of our keyboards, it is impossible for us to make sense of what is going on without access to military intelligence, and I doubt that is foolproof or used optimally (it never is). There are no clear "goodies" or "baddies" here. I'm just wary of the anti-Israel stuff because not acknowledging how high the stakes are for them, and what a nightmare situation they're in, seems to negate their very right to exist, since that is what's under threat. There is a lot of emotive talk about "obliterating Gaza" but if that had been their intention, there would be more than <3% of the population killed in the past couple of years (without downplaying the significance of that <3%, obviously). I do get the sense that some posters take offence at what seems to be the Western world backing Israel against Iran, because we are used to thinking of our leaders as corrupt and driven by corporate interests, and collectively we carry a lot of colonial guilt. It's easy from this perspective to overlook the fact that there is enormous wealth and corruption driving the goal to destroy Israel, Jewish people in general, and even Western values. All I can do at the moment is hold my head in my hands and just hope that what the Iranian regime currently presents does not triumph. I wish it could all be done without bloodshed, but the nature of human history is that it is violent and cruel. The existence of evil and immense suffering in the world is probably the most difficult thing to come to terms with as a human.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 24/06/2025 12:25

Gloriia · 24/06/2025 09:21

I bet some posters on here think it's discustin that isis are <allegedly> no more. Give them their own state fgs, everyone else has one why couldn't they? It's not fair!

Yes. That’s EXACTLY what many posters think. Obviously. 🙄

rainingsnoring · 24/06/2025 12:34

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 07:49

Do people think Iran should have nuclear weapons so as not to be Islamophobic?

Is that some mners take, is it yours @rainingsnoring

Perhaps you can point out where I said that @EasternStandard.
You need to back up your assertions instead of running around falsely accusing various posters of supporting Iran.

rainingsnoring · 24/06/2025 12:37

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 07:47

You think the point below about Iran having nuclear capability is legitimate?

Read the other posts discussing this above by @TooBigForMyBoots @Perfect28, stop asking everyone else what they think and try to formulate your own thoughts.

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 12:40

rainingsnoring · 24/06/2025 12:37

Read the other posts discussing this above by @TooBigForMyBoots @Perfect28, stop asking everyone else what they think and try to formulate your own thoughts.

Well that was something. Made me laugh.

Yes I have posted my opinions. But you seem unduly annoyed so I’ll leave you to that.

rainingsnoring · 24/06/2025 12:42

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 12:40

Well that was something. Made me laugh.

Yes I have posted my opinions. But you seem unduly annoyed so I’ll leave you to that.

Not really @EasternStandard which is why I made the robotic comment above. I'm not surprised by your lack of response and don't expect one but please stop accusing people of saying things that they have not said. You have done this repeatedly and completely failed to back it up with quotes.

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 12:44

rainingsnoring · 24/06/2025 12:42

Not really @EasternStandard which is why I made the robotic comment above. I'm not surprised by your lack of response and don't expect one but please stop accusing people of saying things that they have not said. You have done this repeatedly and completely failed to back it up with quotes.

As I said it’s easy to scroll back and see what I’ve quoted. It’s easy to find from this morning.

I’m not rehashing the same. Happy to leave you to whatever annoyed you.

rainingsnoring · 24/06/2025 12:50

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 12:44

As I said it’s easy to scroll back and see what I’ve quoted. It’s easy to find from this morning.

I’m not rehashing the same. Happy to leave you to whatever annoyed you.

What a shame you can't just be honest and admit when you have made a mistake. What you say is simply untrue and multiple other posters pointed this out to you this morning, as you know, and ignored. A bit of humility is called for here @EasternStandard.

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 12:55

rainingsnoring · 24/06/2025 12:50

What a shame you can't just be honest and admit when you have made a mistake. What you say is simply untrue and multiple other posters pointed this out to you this morning, as you know, and ignored. A bit of humility is called for here @EasternStandard.

@rainingsnoringit’s sunny out perhaps enjoy that, you’re focussing on this irrelevance too much.

There are plenty of posts talking about the it’s not fair stance, not just mine. Do read those instead.

PandoraSocks · 24/06/2025 13:07

The ceasefire hasn't held. A curse on both their houses.

Discombobble · 24/06/2025 13:09

Lastu · 22/06/2025 13:52

Why do people keep saying this? Do you genuinely believe there is no difference between the USA and Iran?

Not a lot, currently. Do you trust the current US administration with nuclear weapons?

PandoraSocks · 24/06/2025 13:09

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 12:55

@rainingsnoringit’s sunny out perhaps enjoy that, you’re focussing on this irrelevance too much.

There are plenty of posts talking about the it’s not fair stance, not just mine. Do read those instead.

Shift of tactics there!

And before you @advise me to enjoy the sun: it is not shining everywhere in the UK.

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 13:12

PandoraSocks · 24/06/2025 13:09

Shift of tactics there!

And before you @advise me to enjoy the sun: it is not shining everywhere in the UK.

Enjoy the clouds. I can’t say I’m that fussed if it’s that instead.

TheMel · 24/06/2025 13:17

Disclaimer: I'm using talk-to-text and letting ChatGPT write it up for me. So before any of you sleuths point out that the language sounds a bit robotic — yes, it does. I just can’t be bothered typing all this by hand. But the argument is mine, and I stand behind every word.

Anyone who compares Israel to Iran is either evil, deranged, or possibly both.

Let me go all the way to the other side and argue from the most extreme anti-Israel position — just for the sake of showing how absurd the comparison is. Let's say Israel is committing war crimes, crimes against humanity, wiping out civilians wholesale. Let's say the walk through Gaza isn’t justified. FTR I don’t agree, but let’s grant it for argument's sake.

Even then, what is Israel, fundamentally?

It’s the big strong kid in school who doesn’t go looking for a fight. He sits quietly. But if you punch him in the face, he absolutely decks you. Maybe it’s disproportionate. Maybe it’s even excessive. But there’s a very easy way to avoid that happening — don’t punch him in the first place.

Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005. It left Gaza to be. And since then, Gaza has fired hundreds of thousands of missiles into Israel. Each missile has the potential to kill civilians. Each one is a war crime on its own. Occasionally, Israel strikes back. Even if you believe every bombing campaign Israel has launched in the last 20 years was illegal — they were always in response. Never the first move.

The easiest way not to get bombed by Israel is incredibly simple: don’t attack Israel.

Then October 7 happened. A wholesale massacre. Civilians butchered, raped, burnt alive. And yes, Israel went into a rage and it laid waste to Gaza. Even if you want to call that a war crime too, it was in direct response to something monstrous.

That is not remotely the same as Iran.

Forget the theology and the death cult rhetoric for a second. Just look at behaviour. Iran, unprovoked, arms terrorist groups to attack Israel. It openly funds, trains, and supports these proxies — not as a rumour, not covertly, but publicly. Groups like Hezbollah and the Houthis don’t just attack Israel — they attack anyone, anywhere, with zero distinction. Houthis have targeted ships and civilians with no connection to any conflict. Hezbollah has spilled Arab and Muslim blood across the region, including in Syria.

And while Israel has never once said it wants to wipe a neighbouring country off the map, Iran has made that exact threat toward Israel countless times. Israel is hundreds of miles away from Iran — no border, no real interaction — and yet Iran still obsesses over destroying it.

Israel is not an inherent threat to anyone. If you leave it alone, it will leave you alone. That’s been true since 1948. Iran, on the other hand, is an inherent threat. It sponsors terrorism, destabilises the region, and if it ever gets a nuclear weapon, it’s a danger to the entire world.

You can say what you want about Israel, but there is zero risk that it would ever use nuclear weapons unprovoked. Even provoked, the chances are nearly zero. Same goes for the UK, US, and any other Western nuclear power. Iran? With nukes? There is every chance it would use them — if not directly, then by handing dirty bombs to its proxies.

So when people compare the two, I honestly don’t know what to say. It’s either evil, deranged, or both.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/06/2025 13:30

rainingsnoring · 24/06/2025 12:34

Perhaps you can point out where I said that @EasternStandard.
You need to back up your assertions instead of running around falsely accusing various posters of supporting Iran.

It appears some posters can't argue the points posted, so they make shit up and argue against that instead.🙄 That's why they don't quote, they can't quote what isn't there.

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 13:33

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/06/2025 13:30

It appears some posters can't argue the points posted, so they make shit up and argue against that instead.🙄 That's why they don't quote, they can't quote what isn't there.

Edited

Is this still going?

You are welcome to scroll back and see what was quoted. From about 8am this morning.

I can’t say I know what the pp is angry about, the last question to them was I think do you think this is legitimate?

It angered them and now this. Bizarre. It’s really not worth it.

Goldenbear · 24/06/2025 13:38

Gloriia · 24/06/2025 10:14

Yes it's only fair! A new slogan for the Gretas.

What has Greta got to do with anything.

ExtraOnions · 24/06/2025 13:41

Ceasefire is going well … next step Trump stops providing military aid to Israel, then it will all kick off

Gloriia · 24/06/2025 14:02

Goldenbear · 24/06/2025 13:38

What has Greta got to do with anything.

Well quite, but she made herself the poster girl for ill informed folk wearing a keffiyeh. The other westerners who tried to enter gaza via Egypt got their asses whooped by the Egyptians. It funny how the Egyptians are just as strict with their borders isn't it.