To think the US was right to bomb Iran? What am I missing?

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I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

What do you mean by 'defending Iran'? Perhaps you can clarify.
Whether anyone wants to live in Iran or not isn't relevant.

I agree. I feel sorry for all the many, innocent people caught up in this, through no fault of their owns.

What is the other option?

Iran in breach, how would you handle it?

Ik about the JCPOA but moving on to now how would you address the breach

If you expect better from Israel, how exactly do you think they should defend themselves or retaliate to the actions of the "barbaric, psychopathic terrorists who viscerally hate Jews"? Would you have a cup of tea and a nice chat with the man who raped and murdered your daughter, or would you cut of his knackers and shove them down his throat? What if he put his wife in between you, wouldn't you harm her to get to him? I bloody would.

That wasn't an option :-) Although, with the threat of another Jacinda Ardern, I'll stick with the US.

Iran aren’t in breach of anything.

Trump threw out the deal in his last term and sanctioned Iran once again.

So Iran went back to enriching uranium. Everything was working fine before Trump had a shitfit.

Negotiation worked before, it could work again. But the strongmen twats want to flex their muscles and blow stuff up.

I Havnt read the full thread, so this has possibly been discussed already:

Will the USA bombing of Iran cause a rift between Trump and Putin and make Trump realise a destabilised EU (via war in Ukraine) supports his now rival Putin ( Iran s backer).

Will the bombing of Iran shock Trump to retreat to the USA/EU alliance, which was until recently, a balancing weight against dictatorships?

I think plenty of people would agree that getting the regime out can only be a good thing. But you only need to look at Afghanistan to see how western countries continually fail to bring about lasting regime change. Nobody even talks about Afghanistan now, or those poor women and girls who are prisoners in their own, windowless homes. I simply have no belief that western interference will make any difference to anyone living under those regimes when all we have ever done is invade, remove the existing corrupt regime then withdraw leaving a void which gets filled by another evil and corrupt regime. Trump is now backtracking on his own narrative that this is about nuclear weapons and not regime change, so we can see how reliable his word is (if we didn't already have multiple other examples of course). How can anyone seriously back 'regime change' through effectively declaring war when we have no successful precedent upon which to hang any trust and faith? The west abandoned the women and girls of Afghanistan and is now making a case for regime change based on the flimsiest of arguments. It's shit, I agree. But nothing the west does is going to change a single thing for the better.

Breach here @Chipboard

The global nuclear watchdog's board of governors has formally declared Iran in breach of its non-proliferation obligations for the first time in 20 years.

Nineteen of the 35 countries on the board of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) voted for the motion, which was backed by the US, UK, France and Germany.

It says Iran's "many failures" to provide the IAEA with full answers about its undeclared nuclear material and activities constitutes non-compliance. It also expresses concern about Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium, which can be used to make reactor fuel but also nuclear weapons.

Iran condemned the resolution as "political" and said it would open a new enrichment facility.

It follows a report from the IAEA last week which criticised Iran's "general lack of co-operation" and said it had enough uranium enriched to 60% purity, near weapons grade, to potentially make nine nuclear bombs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3v6w2qr12o.amp

Regime change isn't always a good thing though. You mention Afghanistan yourself, then look at Libya as one example and I don't think many people are saying regime change was a good thing.

I just came across this genuinely hysterical piece of propaganda - yes it's real.

When you're done laughing, it is quite a good illustration of how fucking deranged the leaders and mouthpieces of that society are, and why they can never, ever have nuclear weapons. They're not only genocidal maniacs who have reiterated, again, their wish to wipe out Israel, they're arseclowns.

https://x.com/HilzFuld/status/1937121800531620275

This Jewish American Orthopedic surgeon is certainly not laughing. He is horrified by the genocide that Israel and their "most moral army in the world" are carrying out.

https://x.com/Fx1Jonny/status/1937028385487630411

Explosions heard over Doha - USA military basis at major risk

Knew this would happen

This guy?

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/op_eds/2024/08/03/how-to-pose-as-a-reasonable-critic-of-israel-with-a-little-help-from-the-media/

With all of these allegations of the IDF deliberately targeting Palestinian children and civilians, isn’t it surprising that over the whole course of this war the only video footage of civilians being targeted and murdered was taken by Palestinians themselves slaughtering civilians in Israel?

Do you think children haven't been killed Gaza? How do you think that happens with a professional well trained army? Just whoops we did it again?

Qatar have said they have successfully intercepted missiles

Stop posting this nonsense

By all means let's be factual.

https://www.vera.org/news/people-are-being-deported-because-of-their-tattoos

I didn't mean all the people are assholes. I meant historically, as a nation, and in the abstract, America has been and is now a bad actor. I wish it was not so. I know and like lots of Americans. Sorry about the way that sounded and lots of love to those of you fighting the orange rapist. I might add that I'm Canadian and we are extra pissed off at the States these days. So perhaps you'll pardon the way I phrased that.

That's a blatant lie and you know it
There is multiple pictures and videos of injured and dead children and adults.

Saying shit like this doesn't help a reasonable debate.

"Stop posting this nonsense"

Yes Jane, PickyBits posts such absolute nonsense it's almost like she/he has no clue what is actually happening.

Repeatedly returning medics are saying the same thing and it's so clear who is living- 65 returning medics from Gaza in NY times testimony here, 44 saw multiple cases of children shot in the head or chest. What absolute sick disgusting fkery is this. the intentional targeting of children.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/09/opinion/gaza-doctor-interviews.html

Michael Rosen
Starmer: 'Ok guys, you're gonna be asked about what's getting hit in Tehran. You bang back with, 'Israel has the right to defend itself.' If they ask you how is bombing a hospital, 'self-defence', you bang back with, 'It's not for me to say.' Stay well. Be careful out there.'

I love that man.

Michael Rosen obviously - not Starmer.

This is a whole separate issue. They aren't deporting people because they have tattoos. This incident was about the belief they were members of a Venezuelan gang based on the type of tattoos they had and they were classified as a terrorist organization. Our gangs here do have specific tattoos that mark their members. And to be fair we have allot of problems with gangs in general where I work with many warring gangs fighting over territory. I know many kids forced to join for protection. It is a violent problem where you cant even wear certain color combinations or risk being jumped by rival gangs.

Do I agree with the deportations, absolutely not. Are they terrorists, I would also say no. We are sliding down into an absolutely horrid place for a country built by immigrants though. I am dual Canadian citizen and live just over the bridge. I am pissed off at the states too.

The US has militarily intervened in 191 out of 194 recognised countries in the world. It has installed puppet governments in Iran, then when that government was overthrown it funded and armed Iraq to invade Iran costing over 1 million lives. The US has funded terrorism in Libya and Syria promoting the overthrow of governments and leading to chaos and poverty in these countries with no end in site.
There is nothing Iran has done which compares to what the US has done