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To think the US was right to bomb Iran? What am I missing?

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Lastu · 22/06/2025 13:45

I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

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usernamealreadytaken · 23/06/2025 08:32

MuckFusk · 23/06/2025 01:57

Sad to say that if she's Hispanic she might actually be safer in Iran right now. They aren't deporting people to torture camps in El Salvador just for being Hispanic and having tattoos AFAIK.
But as a general rule and when it's not under the Trump regime of course I'd rather go to the US and would not go to Iran. I used to go to the US often and enjoyed it. I wouldn't go there now if you paid me. There is a travel boycott because Trump and his cabal of crazies are attacking friendly nations economically. Fuck the lot of them.

Yup, because Iran is famous not only for loving foreigners, but treating women really well too. But she’d probably be fine so long as she didn't want to wear anything other than head to foot covering, didn't want to go out alone, didn’t want to speak to anybody she’s not related to, didn’t want to drive or make any decisions for herself. Sounds like a wonderful, fulfilling experience.

Toomuchheattoday · 23/06/2025 08:33

Chipboard · 23/06/2025 08:26

But you keep ignoring the fact that Iran was complying with the terms of the deal struck by Obama to reduce its uranium supplies and the % of enrichment.

Trump tore up the deal and imposed sanctions, just because Obama made it - pathetic. Iran decided if the Americans weren’t stuck to the deal, neither would they. Having said that, they were still a way off having capability.

I don’t want anyone to have nuclear weapons, but there is another path to deproliferation - diplomacy.

You don’t have to use explosives and escalate everything in a famously unstable region. Diplomacy worked last time.

So to answer your question, that’s why Trump / US was wrong to bomb Iran.

Not because we want them to have nukes, but because it’s the wrong way to get them to get rid of them.

No one is taking any notice of these posts. I think these threads are pointless and full of bots.

thepariscrimefiles · 23/06/2025 08:34

usernamealreadytaken · 22/06/2025 20:27

About 60k people have apparently been killed in Gaza, according to Hamas. Isnt it absolutely amazing that 50k were children, many women, and hardly any Hamas. Unless, of course, a large number of those women and “children” were actually Hamas, or put there by Hamas. What sort of monsters use humans as shields? Far worse than those trying to clear the monsters.

I said that UNICEF's figures were 50k children killed or injured. You will twist any facts to defend and excuse the conduct of the IDF and Israeli government.

rainingsnoring · 23/06/2025 08:41

Toomuchheattoday · 23/06/2025 08:33

No one is taking any notice of these posts. I think these threads are pointless and full of bots.

Anyone with any sense would be reading posts such as @Chipboard's if they have the time because it is informative. It's clearly not written by a bot.

Perhaps you need to ask yourself why you feel so threatened that you accuse him/her of being a bot.

Mydogiscuter · 23/06/2025 08:43

PurpleAxe · 23/06/2025 06:59

Watching the idiots lurch wildly from one cause to the next is showing the sensible majority of the populace that they are a bunch of bloody morons.

I have simply now put the "progressive left" into the same box as flat earthers. They have the same amount of credibility. No more arguing with these fools, about anything, they are simple absurd.

Young, free, western, women holding up photos of the Ayatollah of Iran. Some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen in my life. Trump maybe dumb, he may be full of shit, but compared to anyone stupid enough to do that he is an intellectual powerhouse.

Where do they get the flags from so quickly though?

Dunno about Iran, if feels like the 90s all over again. Every Iranian I know personally hates the regime, and while they are worried for their families, they are actually pretty happy at the kicking these tricks are getting. So who the fuck knows.

What a ridiculous generalisation. It's like calling everyone who is right wing a nazi racist. It's insulting, ignorant and lazy.

usernamealreadytaken · 23/06/2025 08:44

thepariscrimefiles · 23/06/2025 08:34

I said that UNICEF's figures were 50k children killed or injured. You will twist any facts to defend and excuse the conduct of the IDF and Israeli government.

Which is still far lower than the UN's estimate of a 9:1 civilian to militant casualty rate worldwide. Israel targets military installations and Hamas operatives; why do you think Hamas builds in civilian areas? Why do you think Israel carried out targeted strikes in Iran and civilian deaths are low? You seem to be defending terrorists who put children in front of bombs. If your child needed cancer treatment to save their life, would you refuse it because the chemo would kill more healthy cells, or do you see the long-term aim? Just in case you don't get it, Hamas is the cancer.

PurpleAxe · 23/06/2025 09:08

Mydogiscuter · 23/06/2025 08:43

What a ridiculous generalisation. It's like calling everyone who is right wing a nazi racist. It's insulting, ignorant and lazy.

Tell you what, when I start hearing something that doesn't sound like repetitive mindless drivel from the left maybe I will start listening again.

Until then, into the box with the right wing nut jobs you all go.

Mental, the lot of you.

You have alienated the middle as much as the skinheads on the right have. Stupid.

Chintzcardboard · 23/06/2025 09:13

anotherside · 23/06/2025 01:07

Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Iraq x2, Afghanistan … plus bombings in Libya, Pakistan, Yemen… in total the US has been directly responsible for anywhere between 3-6 million civilian deaths since WW2.

england … responsible for how many deaths in last thousand years?

Toomuchheattoday · 23/06/2025 09:13

rainingsnoring · 23/06/2025 08:41

Anyone with any sense would be reading posts such as @Chipboard's if they have the time because it is informative. It's clearly not written by a bot.

Perhaps you need to ask yourself why you feel so threatened that you accuse him/her of being a bot.

My point was actually that I agree with Chipboards post, but the bots won’t read it. Hwat chipboard has posted has been posted many times and just ignored.

thepariscrimefiles · 23/06/2025 09:23

usernamealreadytaken · 23/06/2025 08:44

Which is still far lower than the UN's estimate of a 9:1 civilian to militant casualty rate worldwide. Israel targets military installations and Hamas operatives; why do you think Hamas builds in civilian areas? Why do you think Israel carried out targeted strikes in Iran and civilian deaths are low? You seem to be defending terrorists who put children in front of bombs. If your child needed cancer treatment to save their life, would you refuse it because the chemo would kill more healthy cells, or do you see the long-term aim? Just in case you don't get it, Hamas is the cancer.

Edited

In my original post, I said:

'Hamas are terrorists. They are anti-semites. Their actions are barbaric but they don't claim to be anything else.'

How dare you say that I am defending terrorists. You are the one who unconditionally supports the actions of the IDF and Israeli government, no matter how many civilians are killed in Gaza. You and other posters call it 'collateral damage' and shrug your shoulders at the deaths of babies and children because you say that Hamas is to blame, even though the bullets are fired by the IDF. There is a reason why Israel won't allow international journalists into Gaza.

As I have said on previous threads, what happened on 7th Oct was the worst massacre and torture of Jews since the Holocaust. No-one with any decency or empathy could defend the actions of Hamas in any way. They are barbaric, psychopathic terrorists who viscerally hate Jews. However, I expect better from Israel, a democratic country held up as a beacon of democracy in the Middle East.

Mydogiscuter · 23/06/2025 09:24

PurpleAxe · 23/06/2025 09:08

Tell you what, when I start hearing something that doesn't sound like repetitive mindless drivel from the left maybe I will start listening again.

Until then, into the box with the right wing nut jobs you all go.

Mental, the lot of you.

You have alienated the middle as much as the skinheads on the right have. Stupid.

I stand by my last post. Insulting, ignorant and lazy.

PurpleAxe · 23/06/2025 09:31

Mydogiscuter · 23/06/2025 09:24

I stand by my last post. Insulting, ignorant and lazy.

I won't lose any sleep. Insulting stupid people is always fun.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 23/06/2025 09:33

Crazyworldmum · 22/06/2025 23:16

What shocks me the most is the people defending the Iranian regime knowing too well woman are getting killed for small things as dancing . Why on earth would people not want that regime out

You do know it’s very possible to see Iran as a very credible threat and at the same time be hugely concerned that Trump, not exactly famed for his calm, measured responses to anything, has decided to start dropping bombs?

To call that defending a regime is quite the reach.

Beachtastic · 23/06/2025 09:46

Re the use of diplomacy rather than bombing, I like the idea but you can't negotiate with dangerous lunatics who repeatedly make their intentions clear. It's like in The Ring where they realise it was a mistake to help Samara out of the well. She really meant it when she said "It won't stop..."

Chipboard · 23/06/2025 09:59

Beachtastic · 23/06/2025 09:46

Re the use of diplomacy rather than bombing, I like the idea but you can't negotiate with dangerous lunatics who repeatedly make their intentions clear. It's like in The Ring where they realise it was a mistake to help Samara out of the well. She really meant it when she said "It won't stop..."

I mean, you literally can.

Obama did and Iran demonstrably complied with the terms of the deal. Their stockpiles of uranium were hugely reduced and they completely removed all the stuff enriched beyond that needed for power generation.

Trump ripped up the deal, imposed sanctions and then Iran went back to enriching uranium.

And NBC are reporting that Iran warned Trump that if he attacked them, they would activate sleeper cells in the US.

Bombing was a shit idea.

Chipboard · 23/06/2025 10:01

rainingsnoring · 23/06/2025 08:41

Anyone with any sense would be reading posts such as @Chipboard's if they have the time because it is informative. It's clearly not written by a bot.

Perhaps you need to ask yourself why you feel so threatened that you accuse him/her of being a bot.

I don’t think they were accusing me of being a bot - more sounding their exasperation at the people / bots blindly praising Trump.

Chintzcardboard · 23/06/2025 10:06

thepariscrimefiles · 23/06/2025 08:34

I said that UNICEF's figures were 50k children killed or injured. You will twist any facts to defend and excuse the conduct of the IDF and Israeli government.

UNICEF bunch of crooks … they would say anything to fill the coffers with donations that don’t go to helping the needy. Exaggerating and following strategic messaging plans which elicit most funds is how they operate. Children die because they are crooks.

HarrietPierce · 23/06/2025 10:18

As Netanyahu's reputation began to plummet due to Western Governments finally waking up to the mass slaughter of Gazans being committed by the "Most moral army in the world", he decided to bomb Iran as a distraction. Then he manipulated his stooge Trump to join in.. Now Gaza has almost fallen off the radar even though the genocide continues.

loopinloo · 23/06/2025 11:34

Beachtastic · 23/06/2025 09:46

Re the use of diplomacy rather than bombing, I like the idea but you can't negotiate with dangerous lunatics who repeatedly make their intentions clear. It's like in The Ring where they realise it was a mistake to help Samara out of the well. She really meant it when she said "It won't stop..."

The rhetoric we hear—whether from Iranian officials or Trump’s social media—can make diplomacy seem naïve. But that perception misses the reality of what diplomacy has actually achieved in the past, and what’s lost when it's discarded. The JCPOA was not built on trust; it was built on verification. For years, Iran complied with strict limits on enrichment and allowed IAEA inspectors unprecedented access. That system was working—until Trump unilaterally withdrew in 2018 and launched the "maximum pressure" campaign. It’s hard to argue that this was a diplomatic strategy. In fact, it closed the door on meaningful engagement.

Since then, tensions have escalated. The recent strikes—particularly on declared and safeguarded nuclear sites—have further damaged our ability to track Iran’s uranium stockpile. Before Israel’s June 13 bombing campaign, IAEA inspectors were still active and inspecting more than one site per day. That’s now severely compromised.

Diplomacy may not be perfect, but bombing safeguarded sites isn’t a viable alternative—especially when it undermines the very non-proliferation tools we rely on to prevent the outcome everyone wants to avoid.

rainingsnoring · 23/06/2025 11:53

Toomuchheattoday · 23/06/2025 09:13

My point was actually that I agree with Chipboards post, but the bots won’t read it. Hwat chipboard has posted has been posted many times and just ignored.

I am so sorry! I misunderstood you completely.
I haven't read many of the responses on here because of time factors and the fact that there are several threads running so I just can't keep up! I agree that there are a lot of very foolish responses in general and then those writing them don't want to listen to any reason or information from those that are better informed and more intelligent. Perhaps some are bots, who knows.

rainingsnoring · 23/06/2025 11:54

Chipboard · 23/06/2025 10:01

I don’t think they were accusing me of being a bot - more sounding their exasperation at the people / bots blindly praising Trump.

You are quite right, Apologies for the misunderstanding.

chocolatemademefat · 23/06/2025 12:08

Given the choice of living in the states or Iran I imagine people on here defending Iran wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole.

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/06/2025 12:49

Oh, it appears Trump has changed his mind and Regime Change is on the table. He had no plan, he still has no plan.🙄

I feel so sorry for the people of the middle east, the last thing they need is another crazy, trigger happy, right wing lunatic with bombs.

Chipboard · 23/06/2025 12:56

rainingsnoring · 23/06/2025 11:54

You are quite right, Apologies for the misunderstanding.

No drama! Easily done.

Chipboard · 23/06/2025 12:57

chocolatemademefat · 23/06/2025 12:08

Given the choice of living in the states or Iran I imagine people on here defending Iran wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole.

I don’t think anyone is defending Iran.

The choices aren’t bomb or uphold Iran’s vile regime.