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To think the US was right to bomb Iran? What am I missing?

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Lastu · 22/06/2025 13:45

I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

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anotherside · 23/06/2025 01:11

PickyBits · 23/06/2025 00:08

Iran fired missiles at Israel twice last year so they started this war then?

Neighbouring countries taking pot shots at one another in decades old tit for tat is somewhat different to a country flying half way across the world and dropping a bomb on one. India and China occasionally have fatalities over border disputes which barely make the news. But if, say, Russia bombed India or if the US bombed China it would be a rather different situation.

anotherside · 23/06/2025 01:18

LovingLimePeer · 22/06/2025 22:08

US actions in Iran may not be justified but I think may be helpful to dissuade further Chinese/Russian knobheadery. The fact is we need America to be an irrational bully. Their unpredictability/power keeps the rest of the world in check.

If by “in check” you mean 3-6 million civilian deaths since WW2 then fine. But do be aware that the majority of the rest of the world’s population don’t view those American military campaigns and their resulting destruction and massive loss of life with the same ambivalence as people in the US, UK and a handful of other nations who are raised on the Hollywood diet.

anotherside · 23/06/2025 01:22

ArtTheClown · 22/06/2025 20:50

And yet its currently the Palestinians being ethnically cleansed. Is that your solution? Kill them all?

There is collateral damage due to deliberate choices by Hamas to embed military targets in civilian areas.
No-one is being ethnically cleansed.

Collateral damage? What a psychopathic comment. 15,000 children dead due to indiscriminate bombings and Israel using starvation and medical blockade as a weapon of war.

Chalk111111 · 23/06/2025 01:22

anotherside · 23/06/2025 01:08

I’d rather not holiday in either. Be stranded for a few days? Iran, because I’ve never been and while I enjoyed my two trips to the US it’s not somewhere I plan to visit again any time soon.

Sure.

Chalk111111 · 23/06/2025 01:25

anotherside · 23/06/2025 01:11

Neighbouring countries taking pot shots at one another in decades old tit for tat is somewhat different to a country flying half way across the world and dropping a bomb on one. India and China occasionally have fatalities over border disputes which barely make the news. But if, say, Russia bombed India or if the US bombed China it would be a rather different situation.

Well yes, because those countries have nuclear weapons. It would be much bigger. That’s why we don’t want Iran to have them.

SparklyGreenWriter · 23/06/2025 01:33

But if Iran are truly a nuclear threat their allies are now offering to donate weapons.i remember the whole Iraq war and weapons of mass consumption lie to know these things get messy and are never as simple as buying the line we are fed.

PickyBits · 23/06/2025 01:38

anotherside · 23/06/2025 01:11

Neighbouring countries taking pot shots at one another in decades old tit for tat is somewhat different to a country flying half way across the world and dropping a bomb on one. India and China occasionally have fatalities over border disputes which barely make the news. But if, say, Russia bombed India or if the US bombed China it would be a rather different situation.

Tit for tat?

April 2024 - 170 drones, over 30 cruise missiles, and more than 120 ballistic missiles

Oct 2024 - 200 hypersonic missiles

There’s underrating and outright dismissal.

Lucky Israel has excellent air defences and allies to help interception huh?

Iran is not a neighbouring country to Israel btw.

MuckFusk · 23/06/2025 01:45

PickyBits · 23/06/2025 00:08

Iran fired missiles at Israel twice last year so they started this war then?

They started their own war. Trump started his. Anyone who attacks another country with bombs and missiles is commiting an act of war. That's true regardless of the reason they are doing it.

anotherside · 23/06/2025 01:45

PickyBits · 23/06/2025 01:38

Tit for tat?

April 2024 - 170 drones, over 30 cruise missiles, and more than 120 ballistic missiles

Oct 2024 - 200 hypersonic missiles

There’s underrating and outright dismissal.

Lucky Israel has excellent air defences and allies to help interception huh?

Iran is not a neighbouring country to Israel btw.

Yes, in response to Israel’s bombing of Iran’s consulate.

MuckFusk · 23/06/2025 01:48

anotherside · 23/06/2025 01:00

America has killed millions of innocent people in its bombings and invasions around the world since WW2 in its pursuit of cheap oil, shareholder profits, and installing US friendly puppet governments. Iran might not be “good guys” but neither is the United States of America. It’s a violent country domestically and a blood thirsty one abroad.

Correct. I don't understand why people think you have to take a side in this and declare one the good guy and the other the bad guy. They're both asshole countries.

MuckFusk · 23/06/2025 01:57

Chalk111111 · 23/06/2025 01:04

Would you rather be stranded in the US or Iran? There is no comparison.

Sad to say that if she's Hispanic she might actually be safer in Iran right now. They aren't deporting people to torture camps in El Salvador just for being Hispanic and having tattoos AFAIK.
But as a general rule and when it's not under the Trump regime of course I'd rather go to the US and would not go to Iran. I used to go to the US often and enjoyed it. I wouldn't go there now if you paid me. There is a travel boycott because Trump and his cabal of crazies are attacking friendly nations economically. Fuck the lot of them.

TempestTost · 23/06/2025 02:08

Icanttakethisanymore · 22/06/2025 18:13

What about Iran and Russia?

The reason certain countries maintain their nuclear capability are historical.

The arms race happened as many countries, but particularly the two major powers of Russia and the US, competed to have a more deadly stockpile, and then the other would up their own capabilities to try and create a balance.

Eventually there were efforts to stop this which involved many countries giving up their weapons, and the ones that kept them reducing numbers significantly. The reasons for who got to keep them were pragmatic to a large extent - neither the US nor Russia, who were the great powers at the time, were going to give everything up, especially wile the other might still have nuclear armaments. But because of the nature of world political alignments, there was a kind of balance between the differernt factions achieved. It was also felt that both the USSR and the US were able to see the bigger picture and would avoid creating a worldwide nuclear crisis.

What no one has wanted however is regimes that seem to lack that kind of self preservation to have nuclear weapons. Ones which cannot safeguard their nuclear stockpiles appropriately, lack the technical ability to safely manage them, or who would potentially launch them without caring about the consequences.

And that's Iran. The beliefs of the regime are around the idea that there is a divine mandate for them to destroy the west, and Jews in particular, and also that their own destruction in doing so is martyrdom.

PickyBits · 23/06/2025 02:10

anotherside · 23/06/2025 01:45

Yes, in response to Israel’s bombing of Iran’s consulate.

Iran, who’s proxy carried out Oct 7th?

The October 24 attack was in retaliation for Israel killing the Hezbollah leader and a Hamas leader?

So who started it exactly?

TempestTost · 23/06/2025 02:12

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 22/06/2025 18:22

I wonder how many bombs Obama dropped during his first or second term in office, without Congressional approval? Leaving out Afghanistan and Iraq, of course. I remember it was a lot and besides those two countries, something like five other ones. I guess that it just needs to be done sometimes.

I don't know how many, but I ca think of at least three countries he dropped bombs on without getting approval from congress. It's not a requirement despite what people seem to think.

Honestly it seems like if Trump replaced a plunger in the White House, some people would think it was an unprecedented thing.

TempestTost · 23/06/2025 02:25

PandoraSocks · 22/06/2025 19:04

Until such time evidence is presented, I think I can safely apply Hitchens' Razor to your post.

Edited

I gave you several reasons to think that what was going on.

But you know that military intelligence is pretty much never shared with the public until long after it is actionable? You can't conclude therefore that it doesn't exist.

Milosc · 23/06/2025 03:04

MuckFusk · 23/06/2025 01:57

Sad to say that if she's Hispanic she might actually be safer in Iran right now. They aren't deporting people to torture camps in El Salvador just for being Hispanic and having tattoos AFAIK.
But as a general rule and when it's not under the Trump regime of course I'd rather go to the US and would not go to Iran. I used to go to the US often and enjoyed it. I wouldn't go there now if you paid me. There is a travel boycott because Trump and his cabal of crazies are attacking friendly nations economically. Fuck the lot of them.

Yeah, this isn't true. People are being deported and sent back to their home countries but no one is being sent to torture camps for being Hispanic or having tattoos. I know many people being deported and have been pleading their cases with USCIS as I work with Hispanic families. Trump is an abhorrent dictator, but being factual is important. The majority of people I know do not support anything he does. Most of us are doing the best we can to ride it out as we have no choice. The entire US isn't bad or crazy. We just have a fucked up voting system that allowed this to happen.

VoulezVouz · 23/06/2025 05:23

TempestTost · 23/06/2025 02:12

I don't know how many, but I ca think of at least three countries he dropped bombs on without getting approval from congress. It's not a requirement despite what people seem to think.

Honestly it seems like if Trump replaced a plunger in the White House, some people would think it was an unprecedented thing.

There are other ways around it - that’s what certain clauses in the War Powers Act are for and have been used in constitutional arguments by past Presidents, both Republican and Democrat - but that doesn’t make it right.

This act was taken on behalf of another nation (Israel). It has the potential to further enflame hostilities rather than resolve them. He should have sought approval.

PurpleAxe · 23/06/2025 06:59

Watching the idiots lurch wildly from one cause to the next is showing the sensible majority of the populace that they are a bunch of bloody morons.

I have simply now put the "progressive left" into the same box as flat earthers. They have the same amount of credibility. No more arguing with these fools, about anything, they are simple absurd.

Young, free, western, women holding up photos of the Ayatollah of Iran. Some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen in my life. Trump maybe dumb, he may be full of shit, but compared to anyone stupid enough to do that he is an intellectual powerhouse.

Where do they get the flags from so quickly though?

Dunno about Iran, if feels like the 90s all over again. Every Iranian I know personally hates the regime, and while they are worried for their families, they are actually pretty happy at the kicking these tricks are getting. So who the fuck knows.

rainingsnoring · 23/06/2025 07:02

'It is so bizarre. They hate their country, their freedom and protections and rights. They’re drawn to despots, dictators, authoritarian regimes. Why??'

Please can you link to the posts that make you think this? @Chalk111111
Btw, I asked another poster to do this yesterday and there was not one single result. Can you do better?

EasternStandard · 23/06/2025 07:12

PurpleAxe · 23/06/2025 06:59

Watching the idiots lurch wildly from one cause to the next is showing the sensible majority of the populace that they are a bunch of bloody morons.

I have simply now put the "progressive left" into the same box as flat earthers. They have the same amount of credibility. No more arguing with these fools, about anything, they are simple absurd.

Young, free, western, women holding up photos of the Ayatollah of Iran. Some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen in my life. Trump maybe dumb, he may be full of shit, but compared to anyone stupid enough to do that he is an intellectual powerhouse.

Where do they get the flags from so quickly though?

Dunno about Iran, if feels like the 90s all over again. Every Iranian I know personally hates the regime, and while they are worried for their families, they are actually pretty happy at the kicking these tricks are getting. So who the fuck knows.

Some posts on mn too.

Gloriia · 23/06/2025 07:40

'Young, free, western, women holding up photos of the Ayatollah of Iran. Some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen in my life. Trump maybe dumb, he may be full of shit, but compared to anyone stupid enough to do that he is an intellectual powerhouse.'

It is absolutely crazy I've no idea why they don't realise how stupid they look to be supporting a regime that hangs women for showing their hair.

Crazyworldmum · 23/06/2025 08:07

MuckFusk · 23/06/2025 00:02

Bombing is an act of war, as I'm sure you know very well, whatever the reason for it. Whether war is officially declared or not, war is being waged when you bomb another country.
That's not a debatable point.

So what do you suggest happens ? Do we allow them to have nukes ?

usernamealreadytaken · 23/06/2025 08:25

Lostmyusernametoday · 22/06/2025 23:25

You know who is definitely hostile and definitely has nuclear weapons…..Israel. Wanna talk about the real problem instead or no? And I’m not sure you’re left wing….

Defending yourself against those whose sole purpose in life is to kill you isn't most people’s definition of hostile.

Chipboard · 23/06/2025 08:26

Lastu · 22/06/2025 14:26

Would you prefer Iran to be in possession of nuclear weapons? Why?

But you keep ignoring the fact that Iran was complying with the terms of the deal struck by Obama to reduce its uranium supplies and the % of enrichment.

Trump tore up the deal and imposed sanctions, just because Obama made it - pathetic. Iran decided if the Americans weren’t stuck to the deal, neither would they. Having said that, they were still a way off having capability.

I don’t want anyone to have nuclear weapons, but there is another path to deproliferation - diplomacy.

You don’t have to use explosives and escalate everything in a famously unstable region. Diplomacy worked last time.

So to answer your question, that’s why Trump / US was wrong to bomb Iran.

Not because we want them to have nukes, but because it’s the wrong way to get them to get rid of them.

usernamealreadytaken · 23/06/2025 08:28

anotherside · 23/06/2025 01:45

Yes, in response to Israel’s bombing of Iran’s consulate.

Was that response that youre defending proportionate?