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To think the US was right to bomb Iran? What am I missing?

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Lastu · 22/06/2025 13:45

I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

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Chalk111111 · 22/06/2025 21:25

JustMyView13 · 22/06/2025 21:15

But this post tells me you must be a man. Because if you were a woman, you’d know none of these are appealing options right now.

What rights are women denied in Israel?

JustMyView13 · 22/06/2025 21:25

usernamealreadytaken · 22/06/2025 21:19

Funny; I’m definitely a woman (one of the ones who has never had a penis), and I’m looking forward to my next trip to the US. Felt safe there before, and feel safe going this time. Would love to move their permanently and escape the shit-show that the UK is becoming, but unfortunately not independently wealthy enough.

I suspect holidaying in the US is quite different to the realities of living there, for women of childbearing age.

TheMel · 22/06/2025 21:26

BuffysBigSister · 22/06/2025 20:30

We can see the photos of what Israel has done/is doing. How many Palestinian deaths is too much for you? Whether its 1,000 or 10,000 or 50,000, its too many. Anyone who can't see that isn't a decent human being and is blinded by ideology.

How many is too many for them, for their own government? At which point do you down weapons and surrender?

Chalk111111 · 22/06/2025 21:27

StoneofDestiny · 22/06/2025 21:19

Would you rather seek refuge in the US, Israel, or Iran?

None of those - there are more choices in life of where to live.Just like there are more choices in life than to mercilessly slaughter civilians in Gaza and talk about building a beach resort on their graves. Your three options are as repugnant as each other right now

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Funny, I suspect that if it became a reality, the US and Israel would not be a fraction as repugnant as Iran. You do a disservice to the women of Iran.

JustMyView13 · 22/06/2025 21:28

Chalk111111 · 22/06/2025 21:25

What rights are women denied in Israel?

I didn’t say any rights of women were denied in Israel? What made you jump to this conclusion?

ArtTheClown · 22/06/2025 21:28

You do know you can't just take stuff the isn't yours. (Well you can if you are a settler but in the rest of the world you can't)

And what do you think happened to the homes and other immovable assests of the hundreds of thousands of Middle Eastern Jews who moved or fled to Israel between 1948 and 1951?

Chalk111111 · 22/06/2025 21:29

JustMyView13 · 22/06/2025 21:25

I suspect holidaying in the US is quite different to the realities of living there, for women of childbearing age.

Not Iran though, is it?

TheMel · 22/06/2025 21:29

BuffysBigSister · 22/06/2025 20:37

End the occupation. Two state solution. Stay within its own borders (wait, has it even got official borders?). Stop the illegal settlements. Just a few suggestions to get started with.

Since the Partition Plan in the 1940s up until the present day, the Arabs have never wanted a two state solution. Every poll shows very low support for it. Their only goal ever has been one state, free from Jews.

Chalk111111 · 22/06/2025 21:30

JustMyView13 · 22/06/2025 21:28

I didn’t say any rights of women were denied in Israel? What made you jump to this conclusion?

Because if you were a woman, you’d know none of these are appealing options right now

Why would being a woman in Israel be unappealing?

TheMel · 22/06/2025 21:31

BuffysBigSister · 22/06/2025 20:48

And yet its currently the Palestinians being ethnically cleansed. Is that your solution? Kill them all?

How many Jews live in Gaza? How many in the West Bank area A? Compare that to the 2+ million Arabs living in Israel. Then tell us again who commits ethnic cleansing.

usernamealreadytaken · 22/06/2025 21:32

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Icanttakethisanymore · 22/06/2025 21:33

Chalk111111 · 22/06/2025 18:16

There is one rather big difference between Iran and Russia.

Whilst I don’t disagree there are big differences …. What are they, in your view?

StoneofDestiny · 22/06/2025 21:34

I’m looking forward to my next trip to the US. Felt safe there before, and feel safe going this time. Would love to move there permanently and escape the shit-show that the UK is becoming, but unfortunately not independently wealthy enough

Ask Trump to let you in for free. He's shipping over a pile of White South Africans to the US for free right now ( wonder why 🙄)

usernamealreadytaken · 22/06/2025 21:35

JustMyView13 · 22/06/2025 21:25

I suspect holidaying in the US is quite different to the realities of living there, for women of childbearing age.

I’d still rather seek refuge in the US. That’s not a holiday. Coming from a family of refugees, and growing up knowing all about fleeing for your life, I’d make the choice to head west, orange man or not.

JustMyView13 · 22/06/2025 21:35

Chalk111111 · 22/06/2025 21:30

Because if you were a woman, you’d know none of these are appealing options right now

Why would being a woman in Israel be unappealing?

A few reasons, but mainly I saw the images from the atrocities committed on October 7th, of the women raped in the horrendous attack. How specifically did the Israeli government protect women on that day?
I’ve seen Palestinian women starved to death, forced to give birth in hospitals which are bombed by the Israeli government.
And Israel is currently under attack from Iranian rockets as a direct result of the rockets fired by the Israeli government.

Specifically what about any of that is a sales pitch for life in Israel & under the current Israeli government for women?

JustMyView13 · 22/06/2025 21:36

usernamealreadytaken · 22/06/2025 21:35

I’d still rather seek refuge in the US. That’s not a holiday. Coming from a family of refugees, and growing up knowing all about fleeing for your life, I’d make the choice to head west, orange man or not.

FWIW I’d go to New Zealand.

usernamealreadytaken · 22/06/2025 21:39

Rosie8880 · 22/06/2025 21:24

The UN press release is saying that there are atrocities taking place in Gaza and that 52535 people have been killed,70% women and children. It also says over 110k have been injured. There are 2.1m living in Palestine - living in ruins, rubble. Food, water not being able to get thru. I live in Brighton - that’s almost the whole of my city living in desolation.

if the UN - an organization formed as a result of nations coming togther essentially to ensure the horrors of WWII would not happen again - is saying atrocities are happening in Gaza, am very concerned.

I am Irish and when IRA were conducting terrorism it would be unthinkable to have a school of thought that permitted the British to conduct the atrocities that Isreal are conducting to Palestine on the reasoning that N Ireland was harboring thr IRA.

That’s because the IRA wasn’t elected to government with the express intention of inihilating the English, not only from England but the rest of the world. If they had been, perhaps our reaction would have been different. As it is, we’re a little more civilised than a medieval death cult.

StoneofDestiny · 22/06/2025 21:39

How many Jews live in Gaza? How many in the West Bank area A? Compare that to the 2+ million Arabs living in Israel. Then tell us again who commits ethnic cleansing

seriously? Wonder why few Jews are in Gaza .......then think how many Palestinians will be left alive in Gaza......and watch how fast the Jews from Israel move in to make another 'settlement' as their divine right.

Then look at whether there are equal rights to land and jobs for non Jews in Israel.

MuckFusk · 22/06/2025 21:40

YourAmplePlumPoster · 22/06/2025 19:43

I am enjoying the useful idiots of the Left supporting an extreme misogynist and homophobic regime which incarcerates women for not wearing the hijab supporting this regime. They can always be counted on to support the wrong people.

Exhibit A for right wing extremism; false accusations against people who disagree with you with no evidence offered to back them up, sneering comments about "the left" and using the term "useful idiots."
Yep. We've got us a ringer here.

Chalk111111 · 22/06/2025 21:44

Icanttakethisanymore · 22/06/2025 21:33

Whilst I don’t disagree there are big differences …. What are they, in your view?

In the context of this quote, the nuclear weapons which Russia possesses.

MuckFusk · 22/06/2025 21:44

Chalk111111 · 22/06/2025 21:09

We stopped paying 20 years ago.

Now the US in deeply in debt to other countries and is just barely paying off the interest on all the debt. It is self destructing. We are witnessing the fall of an empire.

MuckFusk · 22/06/2025 21:48

JustMyView13 · 22/06/2025 21:25

I suspect holidaying in the US is quite different to the realities of living there, for women of childbearing age.

Or for immigrants who don't have light enough skin for that matter.

Chalk111111 · 22/06/2025 21:50

JustMyView13 · 22/06/2025 21:35

A few reasons, but mainly I saw the images from the atrocities committed on October 7th, of the women raped in the horrendous attack. How specifically did the Israeli government protect women on that day?
I’ve seen Palestinian women starved to death, forced to give birth in hospitals which are bombed by the Israeli government.
And Israel is currently under attack from Iranian rockets as a direct result of the rockets fired by the Israeli government.

Specifically what about any of that is a sales pitch for life in Israel & under the current Israeli government for women?

You’re blaming Israel for a terrorist attack committed by Hamas? Absolutely disgusting. Israel has got one of, if not the, best defence system for their civilians in the world, because they invest their money in protecting their country. And you blame them for the Palestinians they allowed to live and work in Israel gathering data to give to Hamas so they could rape and murder Israeli civilians, and that’s Israel’s fault?

And Israel is currently under attack from Iranian rockets as a direct result of the rockets fired by the Israeli government.

Do these attacks not affect men?

Specifically what about any of that is a sales pitch for life in Israel & under the current Israeli government for women?

So attacks from hostile neighbours means you wouldn’t want to be a woman in Israel? How do these things not affect men?

usernamealreadytaken · 22/06/2025 21:50

StoneofDestiny · 22/06/2025 21:39

How many Jews live in Gaza? How many in the West Bank area A? Compare that to the 2+ million Arabs living in Israel. Then tell us again who commits ethnic cleansing

seriously? Wonder why few Jews are in Gaza .......then think how many Palestinians will be left alive in Gaza......and watch how fast the Jews from Israel move in to make another 'settlement' as their divine right.

Then look at whether there are equal rights to land and jobs for non Jews in Israel.

Hold on, I thought Gaza was full of Jewish settlers…?

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 21:50

Chalk111111 · 22/06/2025 21:50

You’re blaming Israel for a terrorist attack committed by Hamas? Absolutely disgusting. Israel has got one of, if not the, best defence system for their civilians in the world, because they invest their money in protecting their country. And you blame them for the Palestinians they allowed to live and work in Israel gathering data to give to Hamas so they could rape and murder Israeli civilians, and that’s Israel’s fault?

And Israel is currently under attack from Iranian rockets as a direct result of the rockets fired by the Israeli government.

Do these attacks not affect men?

Specifically what about any of that is a sales pitch for life in Israel & under the current Israeli government for women?

So attacks from hostile neighbours means you wouldn’t want to be a woman in Israel? How do these things not affect men?

Agree on the victim blaming there. Horrendous.