To think the US was right to bomb Iran? What am I missing?

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I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/05/end-unfolding-genocide-or-watch-it-end-life-gaza-un-experts-say-states-face

Exactly. How can you take anyone seriously who is quoting Hamas figures which don’t differentiate between combatant and civilian deaths and , include deaths of non-conflict causes which would have occurred anyway, and include people they’ve killed themselves, and not only those they’ve used as human shields.

The thing is these people NEVER call for Hamas to surrender and release the hostages as we’ve seen on the marches and SM for last 20 months.

Very much hoping you are right

No he is isn't, just nuclear installations of a nation that supports and finances terror organisations whom think it legitimate to slaughter a 1,000 innocent people, and mostly the young,at a Music festival.

He gave the Iranian Government fair notice of his actions if they didn't comply with the rules of engaging in nuclear developlement.

I don't like Trump but think he took the right action against a state that is a grave danger to us all.

End the occupation. Two state solution. Stay within its own borders (wait, has it even got official borders?). Stop the illegal settlements. Just a few suggestions to get started with.

And how would that solve anything? Hamas want Israel to not exist. They're not some poor downtrodden freedom fighters, they're Jew hating terrorist fanatics that want Israelis dead.

It's so weird how the word hasbara gets bandied about on these forums. All countries employ diplomacy and PR, and yet it's only the Israeli version that's dismissed as those nasty Jews telling lies as usual...

And yet its currently the Palestinians being ethnically cleansed. Is that your solution? Kill them all?

Can’t access as it’s behind a paywall, but wasn’t that British Palestine, so much to do with actual Palestinians? Is there a time limit on wanting your own land? Do you feel similarly aggreived when Native Americans or First Nation Australians want to take back the land they were driven from?

I would do as Israel and the US have done. I’d have strategically bombed Iran to remove its capability of developing a nuclear weapon.

You are saying things which have already been done - agreements, being inspected, sanctions. They’re in place and Iran is stockpiling uranium anyway.

I’m not asking questions about ‘and if’, I’m asking about the actual reality of where the world found itself. It has the Treaty, Iran is a signatory, and Iran is still developing nuclear weapons. The western/democratic world has imposed sanctions. Iran continues to develop nuclear weapons.

So, what would you do? You’re just repeating things which have already been tried. You could get the entire continent of Africa to cease trading with Iran, which you’d never achieve in the first place, and it wouldn’t matter one to them developing nuclear weapons.

And yet its currently the Palestinians being ethnically cleansed. Is that your solution? Kill them all?

There is collateral damage due to deliberate choices by Hamas to embed military targets in civilian areas.
No-one is being ethnically cleansed.

Interesting you even mention voting considering Arabs are now even voting less because they conceded they're interests will never have proportional representation.

Israel is objectively an apartheid state. Defend their settlers, forceful occupations and unlawful imprisonment of Palestinian kids all you like. I will never accept your disinformation.

But to the crucial question - are you absolutely certain they have weapons of mass destruction? And how do you know this?

When you bomb the absolute fuck out of an area the size of Gaza you are guaranteeing civilian casualties. When you shoot at queues of starving people trying to get to the aid YOU are organising - its like shooting fish in a barrel. International agencies agree this is genocide.

I think people dislike Trump so automatically decide that Iran is their friend.

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Daft generalisations like this don’t help your argument 🙄

Absolutely this

One was too many on 7 October but 1194 more joined that figure. It’s like Hamas wanted Israel to react, because they didn’t like the ceasefire or the fact that Gazans were living and working in peace in Israel.

So how many Palestinians will finally be enough? How many?

Apartheid states don’t have equality within the law and those they’re trying to crush sitting in their parliament. So how is Israel an apartheid state?

In short, yes I do believe that. There are already examples of pro-palestinian US citizens that the IDF have executed with impunity.

Arabs and Palestinian Israelis do not have the agency to critique the state of Israel, certainly not in the way other groups are allowed. Plenty of videos of IDF arresting people for liking social media posts.

Not to mention in US they're even cracking down on University protesters.

I’m absolutely certain that they were stockpiling uranium. They weren’t doing that as a hobby. They’re not even lying about it, they were developing nuclear weapons. It’s not even controversial.

And your absolutely certain the uranium is now all gone, and the problem has been resolved by these bombs being dropped?

You don’t think they might’ve had a hunch, (even just a little one), that they were at risk of attack? And maybe moved some / much / all of it to other locations? You’re utterly convinced that this has successfully extinguished the risk of Iran having nuclear weapons?

So not 50k children then, and no distinction between “children” and “Hamas fighters”.

“The group of experts cited over 52,535 deaths, of which 70 percent continue to be women and children”

I am willing to trust the US military when they say the operation was a success. I suspect they have more intelligence supplied to them than me.

Ahhh. America the Great. And they waited until pretty much the end of the war to step in and we have only recently stopped paying them the huge debt we ended up in.

It's not behind a paywall.

I don't understand your second sentence it was British Palestine where a group of people lived in the two decades after WW2 before 100,000 Jewish people moved in.

I presume your last sentence means that you feel it was right they came to live in the area and occupied homes of Palestinians. (Read Bella Hadid grandparents story: they invited a family of Jewish refugees from Poland to live with them for two years who then took over their house and made them homeless and they had to move to Syria)