To think the US was right to bomb Iran? What am I missing?

[Lastu]

I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

So do the useful idiots on the right support the murder of tens of thousands of children?
Perhaps you should stick to what has actually been written instead of making things up.

The nations you mention do not account for the entire world. I would engage all nations.
Nuclear Weapons know no boundaries. The fall out from them does not stop at boarders. One nuclear bomb dropped is a global disaster with a lifetime of consequence for all nations.

Also, to add, I would not have the security of the world dictated by a handful of men over 70 with no vested interest in the longevity of the planet and life on it. I know the US in particular voiced concerns about being led by a woman. Mainly there was conversation about the risk she’d wake up one day on her period and drop a bomb somewhere. I guess sadly we got that anyway.

If you think the only criticism of Trump's actions is coming from the left, you're sorely mistaken.

Stop trying to turn actual war into a petty Right/Left Culture war.

It just doesn't allow people in Gaza to live and work in peace in their own country.

October 7 should have shown you exactly why Israel kept such tight control of the border. Because their neighbours were Hamas, whose raison d'etre is to kill them.

Although prior to October 7, things were improving. There were more and more entry permits being given to Gazans to cross the border and work in Israel. Some of these gathered the intelligence used by Hamas to butcher the people who lived on the kibbutzim.

I honestly think some people are so determined to believe that Israel is just bad for badness sake (and I know why they believe that). It's the same as the civilian death toll in Gaza - no, the IDF isn't deliberately taking great delight in slaughtering civilians - Hamas has deliberately chosen to put every military target in the most vulnerable civilian areas. Contrast that with their strikes on Iranian key infrastructure; surgically done with minimal collatoral casualties, because the Iranians, as nutty and awful as their leadership are, don't deliberately put their civilans in direct harm's way as a human shield/propaganda policy.

I agree that the public doesn't have as much information as the US government.

Whether Trump is a warmonger or not, he's certainly willing to engage militarity in the past. Also, importantly, he likes to negotiate from a position of strength.
And one reason to stockpile enriched uranium is to use it as a massive point of leverage in any future negotiations with the West to get a better non proliferation deal than they otherwise would, and to engage in talks about removing sanctions that the US wouldn't otherwise consider entering into.
Trump's attack removed that bargaining chip

Another reason to stockpile enriched uranium is as a military deterrent in the absence of a bomb. The thinking being that if they were attacked, they could accelerate the development of a bomb. And that fear alone would prevent an attack. Clearly it didn't work, but I don't suppose they expected Trump to actually bomb their underground bunkers. He's not a conventional US president. I very much hope that their nuclear capability has been totally destroyed, it would be very dangerous if it wasn't.

And yes, they other most obvious reason to stockpile enriched uranium is they might have been actively intending to develop a bomb. But enriched uranium is not a bomb. And they were years away from making a bomb and being able to make it land where they wanted it to.

You’re not losing the plot OP. Nobody can fathom the thinking of modern day identity politics. I saw someone dressed up in a fake suicide bomber outfit and a pride cap a few weeks ago near a march!?!. I guess the thinking is that Iran's nuclear bombs would be inequality bombs as well as conveniently being blessed by a deity to wipe ‘Isreal off the map’,

So all those taken in by Hasbara too good to know

Marjorie Taylor Green not knows for her leftist views has been extremely outspoken on the bombing of Iran.

Gaza is (or should we say was after Israel's genocidal campaign) one of the most densely populated places on earth. Conducting the kind of warfare Israel is practically guarantees civilian casualties. How are starving people queuing for food legitimate targets? And yet the IDF keeps killing them. Either its deliberate or they are incompetent.

"no, the IDF isn't deliberately taking great delight in slaughtering civilians"

Again have you read about the 72 Virgins Uncensored account.
That' is exactly what is happening there.

The NPT agreement was already negotiated and Iran signed it. What would you do next?

How would you engage China, the UAE, Russia, Lebanon, Yemen and Pakistan? The nuclear weapons won’t be aimed at them. You might engage Trinidad, but there £20k of export to Iran probably won’t affect anything.

Donald Trump is a racist, misogynistic idiot. But what choice did he have. He could allow Iran to stockpile uranium, or he could stop it. Iran with a nuclear weapon would be disastrous.

Have you read the name of the source of information you’re taking as gospel?

no one should be bombing anyone…. America joins Israel and bombs Iran… now Iran and other Allie’s will join force and attack Israel and its Allie’s… Russia and China have weighed in and are condemning America…We have some of the most volatile leaders in power atm… it’s a tinderbox and all the while,
innocent people right now in Palestine, Israel, Iran are being killed… we need no more attacks, we need peace.

Russia will now be providing nuclear weapons to Iran..
See how this escalates..

About 60k people have apparently been killed in Gaza, according to Hamas. Isnt it absolutely amazing that 50k were children, many women, and hardly any Hamas. Unless, of course, a large number of those women and “children” were actually Hamas, or put there by Hamas. What sort of monsters use humans as shields? Far worse than those trying to clear the monsters.

We can see the photos of what Israel has done/is doing. How many Palestinian deaths is too much for you? Whether its 1,000 or 10,000 or 50,000, its too many. Anyone who can't see that isn't a decent human being and is blinded by ideology.

No they will not. Don’t scaremonger.

Exactly. China is not far off too… we need negotiations n diplomacy to stop this madness. It’s truly terrifying.

What should Israel do? Give up, write off the hostages, and accept that Hamas will continue to attack Israeli citizens forever?

There is no ‘exactly’. It’s not true.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-785378

The Jerusalem Post was my source.

End the occupation. Two state solution. Stay within its own borders (wait, has it even got official borders?). Stop the illegal settlements. Just a few suggestions to get started with.

And when Israel has offered a two state solution, what has Hamas said?

Exports to Africa exceed $1bn a year. You seem to entirely skip any mention of countries on the African continent. Ultimately I believe in democracy when it’s done properly.

It’s so easy for you to keep pumping out the and what / and then questions. Presumably in the hope that I concede to just dropping bombs because it’s easier? Quite frankly I’m sick of the blood shed, which is entirely because of the low quality leadership across many of the large and influential nations.

What would you do? Would you have dropped more bombs, less bombs, bigger bombs? (Maybe gone nuclear?) What’s your solution?