To think the US was right to bomb Iran? What am I missing?

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I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

There are already heavy economic sanctions in place. Nearly all trade and financial transactions between the US and Iran is restricted. What then?

Who is doing this?

I am pretty willing to bet that you are not Jewish.

No. That was about stopping Iran developing nuclear weapons. How would you stop them?

The point is we don't live there (at least I assume you don't). She does. She is surely a better judge than either of us. Or are you only interested in Iranian women as abstract figures to bolster your own opinions.

More sanctions. If the country is still functioning, then there’s still more that can be done.

It's shocking how so many people just dismiss these things and call people liars when they point them out. In some people's minds, Israel can do no wrong, it appears. Human beings have repeatedly been persuaded into committing atrocities and turning a blind eye to atrocities over time.

By the US? It has restricted all trade and financial transactions. What other sanctions can it place?

A better judge of what? Whether the Iranian regime is good for women? Do you think they are then

By all countries. If Iran has Nuclear Weapons, and that’s a threat, then clearly it’s in the best interest of all countries to unite in sanctions against Iran.

UNICEF have reported that over 50,000 children have been killed or injured in Gaza. That is one of the outcomes that you say that you don't care about. Obviously children are not combatants so must be what you call unavoidable 'collateral damage'.

Hamas are terrorists. They are anti-semites. Their actions are barbaric but they don't claim to be anything else. People talk about Israel as the only democracy in the region and the IDF as the 'most moral army in the world'. They have killed or maimed over 50,000 Palestinian in Gaza children and they (and you) don't give a fuck.

A better judge of whether bombing the crap out of her country would benefit women's rights. Honestly, do you seriously think I support the Iranian regime's attitudes to women? Why would I be sharing a statement from one of the biggest female opponents of the regime? Maybe give the statement a read

That's an opinion that is backed more by prejudice than facts.

Palestine was a desert?
Way to belittle the Palestinians once again.
https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-palestine-life-historical-1948-1948-2023-10

Indeed. Now they are waging both economic and actual war, all thanks to voting for the kook.

Do you always change the subject when you are wrong?
Do you always use whataboutery when you don't want to discuss something?

You should read Matthew Syed's recent column about it. It's quite illuminating.

Yes-ish

Ok, let's assume it's true, as has been reported, that US intelegence (up to the point where Israel started bombing Iran) was that Iran was not currently developing a bomb and were 3 years away from having one.

So not an immediate threat which required a milatry intervention as of 10 days ago. There was likely time for more diplomacy.

However the past 9 days of attacks on Iran would be likely to push them towards developing a bomb at greater speed to defend their population/country. Because they're now under actual attack, they're motivated in a way they weren't previously. Israel's strikes targeted nuclear scientists and military personnel. They destroy the physical infrastructure where they could. But they lack the big bombs that the US has which can destroy underground infrastructure.

Israel PM likely told Trump he had to help now because the job Israel started needed to be finished, or else Iran's top priority would now be developing the bomb. Was trump backed into a corner here. Manipulated? Would a better man/team found a way out of this immediate situation brought to a head by Israeli's PM?

I am enjoying the useful idiots of the Left supporting an extreme misogynist and homophobic regime which incarcerates women for not wearing the hijab supporting this regime. They can always be counted on to support the wrong people.

Is disagreeing with the escalated military action instead of continuing with the talks that were actually scheduled disagreeing with the regime?

So, by your reasoning, the useful idiots on the Right are supporting a genocidal, war-mongering regime?

I think at this stage we can all agree that the phrase "useful idiots" says a lot more about the poster that uses it than the people they are describing.

That wasn’t the focus of the post. The pp preferred Iran’s posturing. I definitely don’t. A decision between here and Iran is an easy one as a woman with a dd or dc even.

I don’t think anyone wants to suffer bombing, that’s understandable. Since neither of us prefer the Iranian regime there’s not much disagreement on that.

The west/democratic nations already are united. The UK, US, EU, UN Security Council, Australia, India, New Zealand, Israel, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Norway, Switzerland. They’ve all got sanctions in place. Clearly they have no influence over Russia, China and the rest of Iran’s allies. So what happens? The sanctions are in place, Iran continues to stockpile uranium. What do you do?

No, it doesn’t.

A useful idiot or useful fool is a pejorative description of a person, suggesting that the person thinks they are fighting for a cause without fully comprehending the consequences of their actions, and who does not realize they are being manipulated by the cause's leaders or by other political players.

Sounds right to me.