To think the US was right to bomb Iran? What am I missing?

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I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

I wonder if Sinwar kicked it off too early, before the actual planned attack was finalised, to scupper normalisation between Israel and Saudi, before Iran was ready to join in, perhaps with the threat of nukes?

There was apparently a large scale attack in the planning for two years before Oct 7th but Sinwar allegedly mobilised participation for Oct 7th only a few days before.

The propaganda machine - social media, marches, tearing down of hostage posters etc, was clearly in place BEFORE Oct 7th otherwise it wouldn’t have synchronised so quickly after such a horrific attack on civilians which was filmed by the perpetrators themselves.

Also the live streaming of atrocities on Oct 7th certainly leans towards ‘look at what just a few thousand of us managed to do, now come and help us’. What other reason could that have been for? It doesn’t make sense if they only wanted sympathy for their cause?

Until such time evidence is presented, I think I can safely apply Hitchens' Razor to your post.

Negotiate an agreement which ensures that uranium levels are maintained sufficiently to produce nuclear power to ensure the country could thrive with cleaner energy sources, and not so much they could produce weapons. I’d audit it, and I’d hold them accountable to it, and I’d operate with transparency, mutual respect and create shared goals focused on safety.

Exactly. What chance do you think the Israelis (and US) have of crushing the Iranian regime with some missiles? Extremely low. And then what?

Indeed. Where would they rather be forced to visit? They’d be in Israel every time.

They were bombing their nuclear weapon capability.

It's literally enshrined in law that Arab Israelis and Palestinians living in Israel are not entitled to the same legal guarantees.

That's textbook apartheid. Nothing to do with antisemitism.

I already posted a link to a statement by Narges Mohammadi who is a very well-known activist who has spent about 10 years in prison in Iran. She is calling for a cease-fire and doesn't believe that this is the way to achieve democracy/freedom in her country. Happy to post the link again if you'd like to read it

The fact you think Israelis actions are trying to get the hostages back says everything I need to know, that you think airstrikes and starvation of an entire population are justifiable.

They are war crimes .
That's a fact.
Even the EU agrees with it now.

The UK government wouldn’t kill you, flog you or imprison you for opposing them. Iran would.

So would Israel.

I still wouldn’t be happy to live under Iran’s ‘posturing’ regime. Would you?

And if they started stockpiling uranium how would you hold them accountable?

So let's wait and see eh? Khamenei appears to be getting more moderate and tolerant as he nears his end, after all.

It’s not true though. Arab citizens in Israel have the exact same legal rights as Jewish citizens. Arabs sit in the Israeli parliament. Where are you getting your incorrect information and why are you blindly believing it?

I know it’s Trump, and this may be overly simplistic, but do you think the US would do air strikes if they didn’t genuinely believe they were building nuclear weapons? I just don’t see it

Economic sanctions.
Money makes the world go around.

They aren't just trying to take the hostages back though are they. I'm sure you know this.
They are committing genocide in Gaza, deliberately starving the population and committing countless, well documented atrocities. Were they trying to get the hostages back by bombing the Iranian embassy in Lebanon and killing their generals? What about the current attacks on Iran? Was that to try to get their hostages back too?

Anyone who thinks Iranian women are safer, Israelis are safer, anyone is safer because Trump bombed Iran needs their head read. They're indulging in wishful thinking on a ridiculous level.

What Trump did last night was a very stupid, very costly mistake.

It’s not fact at all.

Do you get as worked up about war crimes being committed in Ethiopia? Or is it just reserved for Israel?

Don’t be stupid. Israel is a democratic country. Do you not know this very basic information?

It pretty much did before 7 October 2023. Gaza has received, iirc, more aid per capita than any other country recently, and yet the people are starving and angry. Perhaps they are angry at the wrong side of the border. The Jews took a desert and turned it into an oasis with little money; Hamas took a troubled state and turned it in to a hate-filled hell-hole.

Do you really think this? Do actually not know that not everyone in Israel is the same religion, and that some people don't practise any religion, and that it's a democracy and it's not comparable to Iran in any way? That its universities are world leaders in some fields, that it's citizens are free to criticise their government and vote for someone else if they want to.

I've not heard of any flogging or beheading myself and I have friends there. Still, you know best.

And saying this does not mean I support the actions of Netanyahu and his government in Gaza. But nuance and balance are dying things sadly.

Absolutely.
The nonsensical arguments being given that the ME is now a safer place as a result of Isreal and the US escalating the violence are so depressing.

Lots of Gazans worked in Israel for higher wages before Oct 7th. Including those who gave intelligence to help Hamas invade Israel and slaughter and kidnap the Israelis who they worked with and who facilitated Palestinians getting medical care in Israel, including Sinwar himself.

The Israeli government had increased work permits before Oct 7th iirc.

Why did Gazans vote in a terrorist organisation with a charter to wipe out Israel, and which constantly fired rockets into Israel if they wanted to live and work in peace alongside Israel?

How many Israelis lived and/or worked in Gaza before Oct 7th btw?