To think the US was right to bomb Iran? What am I missing?

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I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

What's the point of just wiping out the regime? Killing a regime will just create a space for another equally evil regime to step into the vacancy created. And that will def happen. And the 'majority' of Iranians hate the US and the West, despite what some people would have us believe otherwise.

This anti west sentiment from those safe in the Uk.. rallying around Iran. SM has a lot to answer for.

With the exception, maybe, of the 1956 Arab–Israeli War, which the UK and France engineered, name one war where Israel has been the aggressor? They have only ever acted in response to extreme threat.
As for the USA, since the 20th century they have certainly become involved in quite a lot of wars, but did they start them? It's debatable in many cases, but they certainly started a few in the early to mid 20th century and they certainly were the aggressors in the Iraq war. But Israel? No.
But the question is, if Iran or Iraq had the military capabilities of the USA, how much of the world would still be standing? The USA isn't more aggressive than others, it just has more capability. Sadaam Hussein openly spoke of wanting Iraq to dominate the whole middle eat by force - it just wasn't strong enough. Iran already support militant proxies across the Middle East, if it had the power of the USA it would eliminate Israel and spread their Shia Islamist ideology by military expansion through the region and into the Gulf. The same can be said of Afghanistan, Pakistan and others. America is no more or less aggressive than anywhere else, its just better at it.

This is the stuff idealist teenagers think.

Who has rallied around Iran on MN today? The narrative that not agreeing with Trump's actions=support for Iran is nonsense.

Double posted for some reason!

That is a big ‘if’, though, @Livelovebehappy. They only need one or two nukes left after the US and Israeli action, to cause utter devastation - that’s my worry.

And air strikes and terrorist attacks can still cause big loss of life, and can cause more escalation in hostilities, potentially leading to all-out war.

I don’t have the answers - I wish I did - but provoking a regime like Iran seems way too risky to me.

Many on here have a read.

I admit the shame. The sooner the theocracy in Iran is defeated the better for everyone, including Iranians.

who are you educating. you clearly know and understand nothing.

Ah, so you can't give an example.

Iran has been a rogue state for some time now. God knows I’m no fan of Trump, but IMO if Iran no longer has the means of making a nuclear bomb, thank goodness.

In my area of outer SW London there are a lot people who fled Iran not long after the Islamic Revolution. The dental practice I use is staffed almost entirely by children of those immigrants, born here in the 70s and 80s.

I have no love for Iran - it's a horrendous regime and it supresses women's rights, suppresses the LGBT community.

I also think that bombing nuclear facilities in Iran could lead to global repercussions and we don't know the consequences.

There were actually people on a march in London yesterday with supportive posters of the Ayatollah. We actually have these fanatics living among us,

Can you see the issue with Iran having nuclear weapons? The problem doesn’t just go away, so what would you do?

That comment was a bit weird, given that abortion is also highly restricted in Iran.

And then Iran has levels of batshit insanity which far exceed anything seen in the western world. For example, gay people being misdiagnosed with gender dysphoria and being force to transition to the opposite gender. If that ever happened in the UK, there would be a meltdown on mumsnet.

Apart from the Suez Crisis, which was actually a shadow war started by the UK and France, name one war Israel started without facing an extreme threat? There aren't any. Every single war has come under extreme provocation.

Iran were developing nukes/dirty bomb to eradicate Israel as per their oft stated intentions.

Now nuke is off the table, dirty bomb still possible.

I would say any Muslim hardline state will use such weapons as they want eradication of the Jews (hear the same thing on the streets of the UK "river to the sea" being chanted by Iran's useful idiots, Muslims et al).

So to answer your question Iran will use whatever weapons they have against Jews... in the same way they have been using Hezbollah, Houthis, Gazans etc to kill Jews whenever they can too.

If Iran still has enriched Uranium etc then I expect them to use it 100% they don't create this stuff for fun. Just because nukes have been taken off the table doesn't lessen Iran's determination to kill Jews so either way they will 100% use a dirty bomb if they can create it.

Dear God, and you don't?

The very existence of Palestinians seems to count as "extreme provocation" for some elements of the Israeli government.

Too many. But yes I responded to a poster earlier who said they’d welcome Iran having weapons. You can find it if you’re keen. The site is very active so up to you to scroll for it.

What would you do about Iran’s nuclear capability?

Absolutely agree.

You sure about that?

Because it didnt work out in Iran or Libya or Afganistan. This is bombing. It is not liberation, indeed Trump said today that he's not looking at Regime Change.

Stop lying to yourself and everyone here, this is not for the good of the Iranian people. It's not good for Israel. And it's not good for us here in the UK.

Are you certain that Iran developing nuclear weapons will be ok for everyone?

If nuclear weapons get used, that leads to the destruction of the country that fired the nuclear weapons.

My hope - right or wrong - is that no country, no matter how much they despised another country, would ever fire a nuclear weapon on another nuclear armed country because they know it would lead to the destruction of their own country.

I fear that all that has happened is that the chances of a dirty bomb, a massive revenge attack has massively increased.

I am going to guess that some people will say that a nuclear armed Iran would fire a nuclear missile at Israel, regardless of the consequences for its own country and people.

It's a very complex situation and I don't think we have the right people in charge to handle it delicately