To think all MNers hate men?

[Corriganscans]

I’m a lesbian so I don’t date men and I like women both to have relationships with and as a species! I’m a feminist and share some of the views on men that seem to be very prevalent on MN. I don’t hate men though. I actually feel a bit sorry for boys and young men today growing up in a world that is very critical of them (a view which I’ll probably get flamed for which’ll further prove my point!) I struggle to understand some of the clear contempt and, often what appears to be hatred of men from straight women on here. How do you date/fancy/fall in love with them if you have such negative views of them? Or is it just that every single woman with these views just happens to have one of the good ones? I doubt it. Isn’t it not that different to a misogynistic straight man who hates women but is happy to date them (thereby pretty much objectifying them for their own needs)??

And sometimes women do a lot of heavy pursuing. Yes, the men have to take responsibility for cheating, but the women have to take responsibility for choosing to go after married men instead of single, available men.

I have a wonderful son, partner, male friends.

I have also been sexually assaulted (unfortunately not uncommon), found a surprising number of men think it's OK to try and intimidate women, and been in an emotionally abusive relationship.

I find some women unlikable and annoying. But I've never been wary of them.

I suppose women just get to an age where we've been made to feel afraid by a man, been hurt by a man, witnessed a man exposing himself in the street or pissing in a bus stop, have had men shout filth at us from a van, have been mansplained to, had a man push for something to which we've not given consent, put up repeatedly with a man who won't pull his weight on the domestic front or have seen one too many men picking nose, spitting in the street, fighting at the football or walking along with his hand down the front of his tracksuit.

On the whole they don't bear close inspection.

You think KN is the worst politician in the world? Seriously? I can probably name 10 men off the top of my head, and hundreds more with a quick google, much much worse.

You REALLY have to dislike women to ignore Putin or Trump in favour of Noem.

It is absolutely not the job of women to make sure men stay faithful. If your marriage is built on the hope that nasty women won't try to pursue your husband, you're probably better off single. This is the absolute definition of misogyny - women are not responsible for the actions of men.

Prince Harry before the self absorbed, obnoxious Markle, largely a likable fella.

Nazi costume and blasting birds out of the air from the back of a car aside.

Yip, this. That spitting man is someone's treasured son, that pissing oaf is someone's hard working husband. But objectively, this is vile behaviour.

It is also absolutely not the job of single women to attempt to seduce married men. Doesn’t stop ‘em doing it though, does it?

Ok stay sexist!

Stating a self-evident fact does not make me a sexist.

I think this sums it up. Lower expectations means less disappointment

I also feel sorry for boys and men today. It seems men are always the guilty party. So much more sympathy for women than men. So much focus on improving chances for women whilst ignoring male needs. Think we're at a turning point where now men are starting to find this unbalance unfair and are fighting back. I'm female and I hope things improve in the future for my sons sake.

This will piss people off probably but like 75% of the time when a woman says 'I just get along with guys better' it's because they're surrounded by men that act nice because they're attracted to them.

Yes another american example (cannot help it they are the worst).

There is no male equivalent of this woman.

*the video for those who don't watch is a Karen, a white woman, blocking a black man from entering his apartment.

this idea that women are all nice and light while men are vile is extreme ignorance.

Nobody is saying that women are all nice but men.

But...

98% of adults prosecuted for sexual offenses are men.
92% of suspects convicted of murder in England and Wales are men.
80 to 90% of terrorists are men.
80% of people arrested for violent crime are men.
Mass shootings are 40 times more likely to have been carried out by men than women.

I hope your message to your son is to help himself and other men, not to fight women for what they have.

For example, male mental health. Loneliness, a lack of relationships, a feeling is being lost, all terrible and epidemics right now. What is it caused by? Men relied on women to be their social secretaries. Now that women are staying single more (because a lot of men are pigs and we don’t need them) and men are favouring hook-up sex from apps, or forming relationships, men are lonelier and more isolated. There’s some statistic that married men describe their wife as their best friend about 60% of the time. Married women 30%. The obvious solution for your son to avoid this is to prioritise being a good friend, making social connections, having a real monogamous relationship not hook-up sex. Being worthy enough for a woman to commit to. Doing things that promote mental health, like volunteering and helping others. Exercising, eating well, having hobbies outside the home, not drinking too much, not taking drugs, not playing too much on electronics. All of that he has power over.

Instead of which some men look at their loneliness, lack of connection, lack of power, lack of educational or job success in the world and think women somehow stole it. And they blame women and hate women for it. Making themselves even less dateable and therefore even more lonely. If you teach him to hate women, he will be lonely and miserable.

Are you genuinely saying that because racism exists, misogyny doesn't matter?

Because that appears to be what you are saying. With a lot of shitty Americans as examples.

Are you drunk? Or are you actually suggesting that men don't try and block apparent non residents from accessing private residences? Americans shoot people who step on their lawn ffs. If this is your best evidence of unique female evil then maybe... you have a poor case?

So why do so many women allow it? That's what I don't get before kids do they put up with it, is it 50:50 or is it on mat leave?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/04/world/video/uk-riots-hotel-attacks-asylum-seekers-gotkine-br-digvid

No, men don’t block women from entering places (even though they do) they throw things and try to set fire to them.

I'll recommend going to forums dedicated to men. It is eye-opening.

Men get paid on average 14% more than women.
87% of billionaires are men.
In the UK men hold 30% more wealth than women.
Women hold less than one-third of the top jobs across various sectors, including politics, law, and business

This is why there needs to be focus on improving chances for women.

Where is the balance unfair?

If men are fighting, what are they fighting for?
Why should we consider mens' needs when they clearly already hold the winning cards from birth?

It seems men are always the guilty party.

Not always guilty but almost always.

98% of adults prosecuted for sexual offenses are men.
92% of suspects convicted of murder in England and Wales are men.
80 to 90% of terrorists are men.
80% of people arrested for violent crime are men.
Mass shootings are 40 times more likely to have been carried out by men than women.

So you think that married women never get pursued by single men?

imhe men are usually the pursuers, whether they are the married one or not