Showing support for terrorism is illegal so why do people do it?

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Well we all know it's illegal, don't we?

It happens though. The flags, the signs, the slogans, the chants, what is said etc.

Kneecap was charged on supporting terrorism. I understand that the charges relate to things like waving the Hezbollah flag and shouting in support of terrorist organisations.

He has been bailed pending trial.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo

Ok - but can you see that for some people, they have a different line that they would cross - and they do have their justifications for that.

Each person has their line - and I don't think anyone truly knows where their line is until they have lived it.

Yes, THAT is his battle, not sticking his nose into another conflict, far removed from the ME - literally.

This thread isn’t just about the ME conflict.

OP asked why people show support for terrorism given that this is illegal.

An example OP gave was one of the Kneecap members being charged for supporting terrorism. But support for terrorism - the chanting, flag-waving, burning posters variety - seems to be routinely ignored in the UK. It happens every year in NI.

You shouldn’t have different rules (in practice) depending on the religion or nationality involved,

Yes and when talking about resistance and the different forms that it takes Kneecaps use of the Irish language is perfect example of that. It's a form of resistance to British rule.

I don't know how someone could say that sectarianism in NI isn't relevant to the topic of the thread which is kneecap, terrorism and terrorism support.

FFS would do you keep asking me the same questions no matter how many times I answer.

Yes I know that many people think that Hamas are not a terrorist group. Yes they have their justifications. I just think that all of those justifications are Bellshill, Hamas are evil and anyone who supports them is either deluded or a shit.

Now can we please give this a rest? Last time I checked the topic of this thread is not what I personally would do in an awful situation.

Oh right, so what other terrorists has Kneecap supported?

Upthread you said this

"So you think rape can be resistance? Murder of children can be resistance? Most of the people killed were not soldiers, they were civilians. They were not occupying anything, they were in their homes or at a music festival. Comparing them to Nazi soldiers is sickening."

Which was a complete misreading of what I said - maybe deliberate but who knows?

And no apology was ever given.

Kibbutz Beeri - the focus of the October 7th attack is (was) a very peaceful commune and was also a wedding venue for low key outdoorsy kind of weddings. The music festival which you refer to was very low key too - just a lovely gathering.

Palestinians had been coming and going freely across the border into the Kibbutz for years and there was a friendly and trading relationship. It was exactly this situation that Hamas took advantage of. Just think how different it could be for the Palestinian population if Hamas would agree to a two states solution instead of ‘no Israel at all costs’.

All the Israelis I know either live on a Kibbutz or were raised on one. They are having families,doing normal jobs and leaving a peaceful life. Without exception they don’t like BN and I would hope that the majority of the population of Palestine don’t like Hamas either but it’s hard to fathom when you see the cheering and celebration to the murdered victims of the October attacks.

Sorry, what am I supposed to be apologising for?

There is no justification at all for the brutal rape and murder of innocent civilians - this wasn’t an invading force - operating under a wartime footing. This was out and out murder.

I think that answer shows your level of critical thinking.

And your ability to put yourselves in someone else's shoes

@tramtracksthanks for this post to counter some on here.

You demand an apology when I ask what I've done wrong you just insult me. Great.

Fuck me.

Specific, calculated and direct targeting of civilians. Yes, the intent shows murder.

For someone that claims to see both sides and have little interest in the wider reasoning you dedicate a great deal of your time to discussing the conflict.

I thought the generally accepted narrative was that Palestinians/Gazans arent the same as Hamas, so when people point out that Hamas is surely supported by the general population, its said that this isnt the case, that Hamas doesnt speak for Palestinians?

Which is it?

You've just contradicted yourself. How can one see both sides and have "little interest in the wider reasoning"?

Do you feel the same about the Israelis who sign their initials and messages onto bombs that go on to kill Palestinian kids?

I never said any of that?

If Hamas attacks Israelis who oppress Palestinians, what makes you think Palestinians would condemn Hamas? Again, expecting perfect victims in the middle of a full blown genocide

There are literal Jews within those protests who recognise that the Israeli government does not represent a peaceful religion like Judaism.

It’s disrespectful to use antisemitism (a real problem) to justify a whole genocide of the Palestinian people.

What type of violence is ok in your view?

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Who did the people at the Nova festival attack? Or the people living in the kibbutzim where they massacred people?