Showing support for terrorism is illegal so why do people do it?

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Well we all know it's illegal, don't we?

It happens though. The flags, the signs, the slogans, the chants, what is said etc.

Kneecap was charged on supporting terrorism. I understand that the charges relate to things like waving the Hezbollah flag and shouting in support of terrorist organisations.

He has been bailed pending trial.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo

Isn't that the answer to the OP's question.

Do you understand that some people see some groups and actions as terrorism, whilst at the same time, other people would see the same groups and actions as resistance or freedom fighting?

And at the same time, even within those groups, there would be people who would say "this is too much, there is a line to be drawn"

I don't think that's a difficult concept to understand.

Agree

Sometimes this is the case

Sometimes the unpalatable truth is that people (usually men) enjoy violence, enjoy agitation, like the thought of killing/injuring and are quite swept up in a narrative that promotes that, its thrilling for them. So they couldnt give a toss whether something is 'freedom' fighting or not, its just fighting, anger, harm. They enjoy it

Its manipulative, akin to grooming in my view, for men like this to package up their narrative of violence, using violent terminology etc, into music, cool, current, edgy, oh look at us promoting our message. Its brainwashing and extremism being sold within hip hop. Nothing more, nothing less.

You could try answering the question, you know back yourself. It's not the UK obviously, it's not Israel obviously, it's not the occupied territories obviously, it's not the US. I really don't know where you are talking about and clearly you don't either or you would just say.

Yes you’ve put it well.

Are you saying the streets of London, during the 'protests' are safe for Jews? Give over.

Hamas's actions were obviously "resistance". They are resisting against the Israeli occupation of their land and the actions were clearly formulated and intended to push back against that. It's not like there was just a random rapist raping people who happened to be Israeli for non-politicised, purely sexual reasons, or a random baby-hater killing babies for the fun of it. They have clearly stated that they'll suspend military operations if Israel completely vacates the occupied territories and allows them to become a Palestinian state.

The argument that purports to be about whether it was "resistance" is actually about whether it was a morally or politically justifiable form of resistance. Which is obviously a rhetorical question because everybody here from the standpoint of western liberal values in peacetime will immediately and viscerally answer "no".

But that's not the only standpoint. War is shit, and brings out the worst in people. Soldiers have raped women and killed innocent civilians of all ages since time immemorial, including plenty of soldiers on the "right" side. And plenty of documented actions by members of the IDF are just as heinous as anything Hamas have done.

So why would you support Hamas? Why would you support the IDF? Why would you support Britain when it carpet-bombed Dresden or the USA when it incinerated Hiroshima? It's all the same question.

Most people hate war and would much rather it could end. Their choice of a side to align with isn't based on the reported actions of specific individuals within that side during specific events, but on the political realities behind the war itself.

@Dangermoo I didn't say that at all. That's not what you said either. You said there was one religion only living in fear. So does your post mean that its London where you think it's only Jewish people that are living in fear? That's quite specific, I'm not sure how I was meant to guess that?!

Personally I think there are a lot of bigots that have a problem with people from various different religions. In the UK there are Muslims, Catholics, Jews and I'm sure more that have reason to feel afraid. I wouldnt try and deny that this is happening.

I understand that some people don't see Hamas as terrorists. I also think those people are awful for it.

What was Shani Louk doing that could be resisted by rape, kidnapping and murder?

This is daft. Of course they are. Plenty of people on the protests are Jewish and no one has been harmed by a protestor despite some very goady efforts from some counter protestors

What do you agree with?

I understand that some people would describe groups and actions as terrorism, whilst at the same time, other people would describe those same groups as freedom fighters and the actions they carry out as trying to bring about change.

I think you agree with that as well.

I am sure that if you started a thread asking if a certain group were terrorists or freedom fighters, then you would get a range of views.

Which I think on a thread where the OP is discussing support for terrorism would be a pretty basic concept to understand.

I think you could ask that about many people who have been the victims of terrorist groups.

You only have to look at all the victims of violence over the decades in Northern Ireland and when that violence spilled over to the mainland.

I've just seen this example from the UK of a religious group being 'maligned'. Where are the government now? Where are the police? Where are the headlines? Where are the mumsnet threads full of faux outrage?

If you think Jewish people are the only ones being harassed then you need to open your eyes.

In Northern Ireland taigs are Catholics for anyone who’s unaware.

I mean if the Kneecap character ends up in jail, then a lot more need to be in there too. It’s marching season again and pictures of politicians, the pope, the Irish flag, the Irish taoiseach (PM) will probably be burned on bonfires again as they are every year by British loyalists. Why has that not been stopped?

Zero significance to the ME conflict. That is the whole point.

It's very relevant to terrorism and the supporting of terrorism in the UK which it would seem this thread is about.

No, this isn't Kneecap's battle.

This thread is about terrorism and why some people support people who are defined as terrorists.

Terrorism is not just about the ME conflict.

It is much much wider than that - and that's why some of the discussion has mentioned other groups from the past and today who have been defined as terrorists by some and as freedom fighters by others.

I am sure you can think of some groups that you would think of as freedom fighters that others would define as terrorists.

Well yeah obviously.

Not rape murder and kidnap, it's not a lot to ask. That is some serious victim blaming you've got going on there.

What? You don't think sectarianism in NI is Kneecaps battle or am I misunderstanding you?

This is kind of the question I asked before.

Put yourself in the shoes of someone brought up in Gaza over the last 20 years.
You want Israel to leave.To make the price of occupation too high a price to pay

How far would you go to achieve those aims?

We can see what did happen.

Can you think of any reason that someone who had grown up in Gaza for the last 20 years would have done what they did on October 7th - apart from pure anti-Semitism? And where could their motivation for the attacks have come from?

You clearly don't have to agree with their reasons - but can you think of any?

Like I have said multiple times before. I dont know exactly what I would do, but I do no that I would not rape, kidnap or murder innocent civilians. These things are not resistance. These things are not justifiable. I don't know why thats so hard to comprehend.