Showing support for terrorism is illegal so why do people do it?

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Well we all know it's illegal, don't we?

It happens though. The flags, the signs, the slogans, the chants, what is said etc.

Kneecap was charged on supporting terrorism. I understand that the charges relate to things like waving the Hezbollah flag and shouting in support of terrorist organisations.

He has been bailed pending trial.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo

Why wouldn’t they support any form of resistance against the people (aka Israel) who are murdering, raping, abusing and oppressing them?

I don’t support Hamas as an organisation but I support resisting against oppressors.

When we’re watching movies on tv about ‘the resistance fighting back!’ like in Star Wars/hunger games everyone cheers for the resistance, but in real life it’s suddenly antisemitic to say that Israel is committing a genocide. Wild!

What Hamas did on October 7th was not resistance.

You've introduced an example in fictitious movies to a real, long standing conflict, involving the monesthetic religions of the region. I think that really sums up Kneecap, his deluded fan boy and girls and the rest of the pro Palestinian Liberal luvvies, who are too lazy to read back through centuries of history.

Oppressors are extremists, who slaughter people of another religion. You have no idea.

What does resistance and making the cost of occupation look like?

I quoted an example of the Dutch resistance teenager who would lead Nazi soldiers to their deaths in woods but refused to kidnap children of Nazi officers as she felt it would turn her into the kind of person the Nazis were

Which comes back to the question - what would people do to resist and make a country rethink its policies and where is the line...

And I don't think that anyone can answer that unless they are the ones who are experiencing the day to day realities.

Lots of things are illegal

It does not stop people

Well you're certainly not representing the religious group maligned and harassed in the streets. The group that is slaughtered for being Jewish. The specific targeting of their religion. If you were, I'm sure I would be reading a different slant.

What do you mean 'the religious group being maligned and harassed on the streets'? Are you under the impression that there is only one or are you deliberately misrespresenting reality?

So you think rape can be resistance? Murder of children can be resistance? Most of the people killed were not soldiers, they were civilians. They were not occupying anything, they were in their homes or at a music festival. Comparing them to Nazi soldiers is sickening.

I said "What does resistance look like"

I don't know why you think those are my views.I asked the question

Growing up in NI in an area with rampant sectarianism I'd have seen this all the time. It's still there today. Just look at the wall "art". It's part of the landscape there. It;s never been addressed. I really dislike that band and the glorification of drugs (hate the music too!). Politically I'm on the total opposite side of the spectrum, so that that's expected I guess.

"Most of the people killed were not soldiers, they were civilians. They were not occupying anything, they were in their homes" ... this is the case for most of the civilian killings in Gaza too.

You said "What Hamas did was not resistance"

I asked you - what does resistance look like?
How far would people go in their actions to resist and to make the price of occupation to high a price for an occupier?

I then gave an example of the Dutch teenager who would lure Nazi soldiers into the woods so they could be executed. Clearly she was happy to do that to play her part in resistance and to make the price of occupation very high for the Germans. But she refused to kidnap children because they could be killed - and she felt that was a line she would not cross.

And then I said - I don't think any of us know what we would do, what we are capable of and where we would draw a line, unless we were in that situation

Do you use the term resistance for Hamas?

Why are you asking me what I think?

I am sure that some people would use the word resistance.
Others would use terrorism.

This thread is about support for terrorism.

Do you understand that some people would use the word "resistance" and others would use the word "terrorism"

It does not matter what word I use. What matters is that people can understand that whilst some people use the word "terrorism", others use the word "resistance"

I am sure you understand that.

Is it Muslims, who are hiding away, fearing for their lives? I'm talking about specific to this discussion. I certainly have a grip on reality.

Yes some probably do. I’m glad I live where we have laws on supporting terrorism. Others might be upset by that.

In Gaza, the West Bank and Iran (among other countries)? Yes, Muslims are hiding away.
In Gaza and the West Bank this has been going on for a long time and also includes Christians. I can remember footage of Muslims protecting the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem at Christmas while Christians worshipped and Christians returning the favour at Mosques during Ramadan as well.
Jewish people are not the only people hiding away due to religion (not that this makes any of this right - there’s a huge amount of wrong all over at the moment). Heck, I’ve even hidden away in my home city for religious reasons (didn’t expect to come across an Orange Order march in Edinburgh during the festival and as a ginger - and therefore assumed Irish Catholic background - it was time for a sharp exit. A flippant example, yes but tribalism is sadly global.).
In the twentieth century something truly awful happened to a range of groups in Europe. This doesn’t give anyone the right to carpet bomb a community into oblivion. How on earth will that do anything other than create more future fighters on both sides?

That's what I think is going to happen. I think there are going to be a lot of traumatised individuals from Gaza, especially the children - and this is going to lead to something happening in the future.

Where in the world are you talking about that you think fear of attacks is exclusive to Jewish people?

This thread is about Kneecap who are from NI, I know you aren't talking about there are that would be ridiculous.

The leaders on both sides have successfully dehumanised the other side for a lot of their people and that’s a very dangerous situation. Some of the things people on both sides have said make it clear that they really consider the other to be less human than them.
In the specific case of Kneecap though, there is a long history of mutual support between Irish Catholics and Palestinians that boils down to colonialism. The mutual support goes back further than the creation of Israel.

All your posts seem to boil down to "I dont support terrorist who rape, murder and kidnap but I understand why some people do and that's just as valid". It's a weird thing to both sides tbh.

Predictable responses and Im only on page one. You can bet your life no one would be defending this if it was right wing terrorism. (which Islamic terrorism is by the way)

Oh dear.

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