Showing support for terrorism is illegal so why do people do it?

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Well we all know it's illegal, don't we?

It happens though. The flags, the signs, the slogans, the chants, what is said etc.

Kneecap was charged on supporting terrorism. I understand that the charges relate to things like waving the Hezbollah flag and shouting in support of terrorist organisations.

He has been bailed pending trial.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo

They have skin in the game, westerners don't and that's half the problem.

There is an overlap, but the main reason I don’t do stuff like abuse children or kill people isn’t because it’s illegal, it’s because it’s morally wrong!

And I think that comes to the question about what would someone do under certain circumstances...

And I don't think any of us truly know what we would do / how we would act / what we are capable of when push comes to shove.

But its ok to use collective punishment, a food blockade, incarcerate without trial, bomb hospitals, switch off the internet and access to communication, murder children, babies, men, women, teenagers to people who are muslim and christian.

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Yes, that's exactly what the poster said...

General hatred? Love of violence? Idiocy?

Why, why do you think people support a murderous antisemitic terrorist organisation?

You think the Israeli government are a bigger threat to Jewish people than the group whose founding charter called for the murder of Jews?

Luckily, we in the west are privileged. We will never see it through the eyes of Palestinians or the Jewish because the conflict is way more complex than can be appreciated by any of us. No matter how many sources and parrot phrases - like the post just recently posted - are made. It's easy to carry a Palestinian flag and wear a keffiyah but when you only think you know why you're doing it, it's worthless. It's nothing more than interfering condescending twaddle.

Because they have grown up under occupation
Because of the way they think they have been treated
Because of how the Israeli Government has treated them over the years
Being shot for throwing stones
The endless violence towards them
Having no hope

I am sure if that is what someone would say if they were asked.

Whether I agree is a different matter - but I am sure those are some reasons.

I am sure someone who has grown up in that situation would have more to say.

Are kneecap from Gaza now?

You claimed I dont understand trauma (which I do) because I said I would never murder or rape.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's how simplistic Pro Palestinian advocates see the situation. I'm not getting into it here but two sides to every story is always believed, unless it's Israel.

Keir Starmer has been doing this ever since the beginning of Gaza genocide ...

This is your response to the previous post?

This^

You will notice that I did not say I agree with it.

I am saying that is why some people might say they support Hamas.

I am sure that other people would have a different opinion and see things differently.

What reasons can you think of why someone living in Gaza or the West Bank might end up supporting Hamas or even joining Hamas?

No, you've been very polite. Leaving the thread now, as it's going into territory more suited to CITME forum 😊

I thought that was your area of expertise @Dangermoo

Re ‘shocking’ this is too full on to make sense.

I just don’t have the time for it you do. I don’t spend that much time on CITME and don’t feel ‘ashamed’ about not doing so. You can of course up to you. If you are railing against Labour on this, fine.

I do feel more strongly about terrorism support on SM hence my posts.

Dude they were yes or no questions. You've typed out more in your post just there, so don't give me the I don't have time nonsense.

I wasn't talking about CITME, I was talking about your refusal here in this thread to answer basic questions whilst demanding the same of others.

It's fine that you don't want to answer, I find the predictabless of you not amswering quite funny tbh, so no hard feelings, I think we can end this conversation here.

ETA I was being sarcastic with the shocking if that wasn't clear, it was as predictable as day follows night that you wouldn't condemn or say out loud that you approve of the Israeli government raping and pillaging.

Fine I can’t say I’m bothered. You spend time on what you want and I will too.

And yet everything referred to in the post you were answering - the occupation, the inhuman treatment of Palestinians etc - is factual.

There are two sides to every story, and yet most people, on most issues, end up siding with one of them. Sometimes that's because they're simple-minded and can't appraise nuance, but it doesn't have to be. It can just be because they've looked carefully at both sides and decided that one has greater weight in terms of either logical argument or their personal morality, values etc.

I support the cause of Palestinian freedom because (a) Zionism was a racist settler colonial project in the first place and (b) even if one accepts 1948 Israel as a fait accompli, there is no justification for it illegally occupying the rest of Palestine. That doesn't mean I don't acknowledge that those who swelled Israel's ranks after WW2 had experienced incredible suffering that would make anyone yearn for a safe haven, or that children born in Israel now are not responsible for the political circumstances of their parents. I just don't believe that those things justify occupying another people's land, forcing them off most of it and treating them like animals in the bit they have left.

That's my judgment and it's no more "simplistic" than that of plenty of people who look at the same facts and come down on the side of Israel. I probably know more about the history than many of them, and less than others. But at the root of this is differences of values. In particular the value often cited as the root justification of Zionism - that God bequeathed Israel to the jews so they are fulfilling His destiny - just seems completely barmy to me and not worthy of being taken remotely seriously in the 21st century.

So you don't have to be simplistically one-sided to support Hamas (which I don't). You just have to attach more importance to their position as the only political organisation in Palestine providing a resitance to the occupation, than you do to the arguments for opposing them. The most obvious reason someone would do this is because they're a Palestinian suffering under the occupation themselves, someone with - as a pp put it - "skin in the game".