Page 15 | Showing support for terrorism is illegal so why do people do it?

Nowayyousure · 2025-06-19T10:36:42+00:00

Well we all know it's illegal, don't we? It happens though. The flags, the signs, the slogans, the chants, what is said etc. Kneecap was charged on supporting terrorism. I understand that the charges relate to things like waving the Hezbollah flag and shouting in support of terrorist organisations. He has been bailed pending trial. [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo]]

Scorchio84 · 19/06/2025 23:36

getting my comment removed does no one any good, you should have let it stand & I could have had a pile on if in fact I was being "racist" ? Bearing in mind they're white & Irish, as am I, maybe you're mixing up your words?

Being called a "racist" is not cool or to be taken lightly

TheOriginalEmu · 19/06/2025 23:36

Nelson Mandela was a terrorist to some.
Meibion Glyndŵr were terrorists to some.

We can argue the toss over Israel and Palestine all day long. The fact is innocent people are dying. And that’s wrong which ever side you’re on.

tramtracks · 19/06/2025 23:37

Butchyrestingface · 19/06/2025 13:20

I had a relative who supported a ‘terrorist’ group many years ago. He thought of them as freedom fighters.

That is the basic answer, as PP have pointed out. People have their own views about who or what constitutes terrorism and it doesn’t always or necessarily align with the State.

That’s the beauty of a democracy.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 19/06/2025 23:38

Scorchio84 · 19/06/2025 23:36

getting my comment removed does no one any good, you should have let it stand & I could have had a pile on if in fact I was being "racist" ? Bearing in mind they're white & Irish, as am I, maybe you're mixing up your words?

Being called a "racist" is not cool or to be taken lightly

Nope, not mixing up my words. Bear in mind the legal definition of racism includes nationality as well as race.

Cromulent · 19/06/2025 23:41

Their Glastonbury set is going to be a banger in fairness.

Scorchio84 · 19/06/2025 23:44

yeah but it's not really though @OchonAgusOchonOh Being called a "racist" online where it's forever is incredibly offensive but don't worry I won't go boo hoo-ing to MNHQ with my grievence

Scorchio84 · 19/06/2025 23:46

Cromulent · 19/06/2025 23:41

Their Glastonbury set is going to be a banger in fairness.

Oh i thought they got dropped? Jaysus yeah 😂My OH' s son saw them here earlier tonight

OchonAgusOchonOh · 19/06/2025 23:48

Scorchio84 · 19/06/2025 23:44

yeah but it's not really though @OchonAgusOchonOh Being called a "racist" online where it's forever is incredibly offensive but don't worry I won't go boo hoo-ing to MNHQ with my grievence

I'm sure the human rights and legal experts involved in defining it legally epos disagree with you. But what would they know.

Scorchio84 · 19/06/2025 23:53

Human rights lawyers?? Legal experts? They literally said "Up Hamas, Up Hezbollah" Kill an MP..

They were inciting hatred, which is an offence, not just to normal people, but in law

OchonAgusOchonOh · 19/06/2025 23:57

Scorchio84 · 19/06/2025 23:53

Human rights lawyers?? Legal experts? They literally said "Up Hamas, Up Hezbollah" Kill an MP..

They were inciting hatred, which is an offence, not just to normal people, but in law

I assumed you were disagreeing with the legal definition of racism. Apologies for misunderstanding your recent post.

Unfortunately, inciting hatred only appears to be an offence in the UK when it comes from certain quarters but not considered an offence when done by others.

And just in case there is any doubt, I completely disagree with their statements. However, it would be nice to see incitement too hatred by loyalists treated similarly. Unless it is, it suggests the arrest is more political motivated than anything else.

Scorchio84 · 20/06/2025 00:01

Oh no I'm still totally disagreeing with you over the racial slur, they're white Irish from the same ethnic group as I am..

Cromulent · 20/06/2025 00:02

OchonAgusOchonOh · 19/06/2025 23:48

I'm sure the human rights and legal experts involved in defining it legally epos disagree with you. But what would they know.

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Tbf the kings counsel for the prosecution and any other number of scholars you might wish to wheel out will disagree with the human rights lawyers who will defend him, it's what lawyers do

In any event it seems they're statue barred (I'm assuming this is accurate based purely on the fact it's a factual argument that it would be odd if the defense were putting it forward in hope or on vibes but who knows) so it'll probably be struck out.

He's probably technically guilty of an offense and I don't see a difficulty in admitting that while also acknowledging it's blatantly politically motivated and if anyone is virtue signalling on this one it's the state that's propping up a genocide and banning protest but quick to turn around and criminalise this when it suits but don't appear to apply it uniformity.

There's also the fact that the lads come from a part of Britain where if they tried to apply this law there'd be nothing else in the courts between marching season and Wolfetone sing songs, so it seems a bit mad to turn a blind eye to it in Belfast but not Fulham.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 20/06/2025 00:04

Cromulent · 20/06/2025 00:02

Tbf the kings counsel for the prosecution and any other number of scholars you might wish to wheel out will disagree with the human rights lawyers who will defend him, it's what lawyers do

In any event it seems they're statue barred (I'm assuming this is accurate based purely on the fact it's a factual argument that it would be odd if the defense were putting it forward in hope or on vibes but who knows) so it'll probably be struck out.

He's probably technically guilty of an offense and I don't see a difficulty in admitting that while also acknowledging it's blatantly politically motivated and if anyone is virtue signalling on this one it's the state that's propping up a genocide and banning protest but quick to turn around and criminalise this when it suits but don't appear to apply it uniformity.

There's also the fact that the lads come from a part of Britain where if they tried to apply this law there'd be nothing else in the courts between marching season and Wolfetone sing songs, so it seems a bit mad to turn a blind eye to it in Belfast but not Fulham.

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I was referring to the human rights and legal experts who helped to define racism legally. I was not referring to the Mo Chara case. If I had been referring to his legal team I would have used the term lawyers or similar rather than experts.

Cromulent · 20/06/2025 00:06

OchonAgusOchonOh · 20/06/2025 00:04

I was referring to the human rights and legal experts who helped to define racism legally. I was not referring to the Mo Chara case. If I had been referring to his legal team I would have used the term lawyers or similar rather than experts.

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👍 thanks for clarifying

Scorchio84 · 20/06/2025 00:08

the legal definition is exactly the same as any reasonable persons interpretation, there's no big reveal, we all know what racism is @OchonAgusOchonOh

OchonAgusOchonOh · 20/06/2025 00:16

Scorchio84 · 20/06/2025 00:08

the legal definition is exactly the same as any reasonable persons interpretation, there's no big reveal, we all know what racism is @OchonAgusOchonOh

You appeared to disagree with me saying the legal definition of racism includes nationality. I responded to that.

soundsys · 20/06/2025 00:25

Dangermoo · 19/06/2025 13:05

Nice to make a joke out of something so serious. Of course, it's clear why this A hole is being protected.

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Is it clear? I may be being dim but why do you think he’s being “protected”?

Mumble12 · 20/06/2025 00:29

Nowayyousure · 19/06/2025 14:21

I'm not discounting that people who support terrorist organisation believe in the cause. Clearly some do believe that Hezbollah have reasons for their acts. I find it awful that people would actually support people gong out and bombing others at a concert EG Manchester Arena bombing and think that is ok. I mean bombing people at the Ariana Grande Concert didn't actually help the people of Syria (the bomber claimed it was for them).

I imagine then that since it's illegal they are happy to stand in court and say they support terrorism and go to prison. We shall see if the rapper says he supports Hezbollah or not when he is in court. It's probably easy to shout support at a music gig and encourage others but in the cold light of day in court say he thinks it is ok to carry out terrorist acts.

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Where are you seeing support for the Manchester bombings?

soundsys · 20/06/2025 00:32

Nowayyousure · 19/06/2025 13:29

Thank you for sharing that. Is that in Ireland since you don't see that in mainland UK, England, Scotland and Wales.

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Thus spoke someone who has never been to Glasgow!

Scorchio84 · 20/06/2025 00:33

OchonAgusOchonOh · 20/06/2025 00:16

You appeared to disagree with me saying the legal definition of racism includes nationality. I responded to that.

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I did & I do not believe in your interpretation of racism & in particular accusing me of it, by all means have an opinion different to mine but it's massively offensive to accuse me of racism, it's a word that shouldn't get bandied about

OchonAgusOchonOh · 20/06/2025 00:34

Scorchio84 · 20/06/2025 00:33

I did & I do not believe in your interpretation of racism & in particular accusing me of it, by all means have an opinion different to mine but it's massively offensive to accuse me of racism, it's a word that shouldn't get bandied about

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My interpretation is the legal definition. Take it up with the law makers if you disagree.

Scorchio84 · 20/06/2025 00:38

A quick google & I'd know but I already know it's not, they're white Irish as am I.. accusing someone online of racism isn't cool, but I suppose it's like Godwins Law, when all else fails evoke racism, I'm aware I'm paraphrasing but the sentiment is the same

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MagicMichaeICaine · 20/06/2025 02:36

ShiningStar3 · 19/06/2025 15:52

I don't recall the suffragettes slaughtering and raping innocent people of all ages, taking them hostage and parading their dead/unconscious bodies through crowds of cheering people to spit on. Weird.

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Nobody said they did.

However, attempting to detonate bombs in churches and theatres filled with the public is absolutely a terrorist act. It was just pure luck that the bombs didn't detonate.

They also maimed and blinded innocent postal workers when letter bombs intended for politicians detonated in the post rooms. I doubt anybody would be too sympathetic if it was one of their loved ones being blinded or facially disfigured whilst at work.

MagicMichaeICaine · 20/06/2025 02:46

Attempting to detonate bombs in theatres packed with the public is pretty much the same as things like the Manchester Arena bombing.

Velmy · 20/06/2025 03:27

Nowayyousure · 19/06/2025 11:55

For Kneecap the details are:

"Officers from the Met's counter terrorism command were made aware on 22 April of an online video from the event.
Belfast man Mr Ó hAnnaidh has been charged under the name Liam O'Hanna.
An investigation was carried out, which led to the Crown Prosecution Service authorising the charge.
Earlier this month, the Met said it would investigate online videos allegedly showing the group calling for the death of British MPs and shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah".
Both Hamas and Hezbollah are banned in the UK and it is a crime to express support for them.
Hezbollah is a Shia Muslim political and military group in Lebanon which has been involved in a series of violent conflicts.
Kneecap say they have never supported Hamas or Hezbollah and would not incite violence against any individual. They say the video in question has been taken out of context.
A number of gigs featuring the band have been called off since the videos emerged.
They are currently scheduled to headline Wide Awake festival in Brockwell Park, south London, on Friday."

I mean surely it will be easy to see if they did show support by waving the flags or calling for deaths. If the videos show that, or don't show that, then the case should be easy

Not really.

The acts of waving a flag/shouting a phrase do not necessarily meet the standard of guilt for those crimes in and of themselves

From what I understand, the flags were thrown on stage by fans. One of the band subsequently picked one up and, as part of a long interaction with the crowd, made certain comments.

It would have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt by the prosecution that those actions amounted to support for a terrorist organization.

They will have a very strong case to the contrary, based on the nature of their act, their previous activism, etc.

I don't have the transcript of the full video, but I expect that part of their defense will center on the fact that they were reacting to something unplanned that happened in the crowd, and making light of it.