Iran - full evacuation of Tehran?

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Genuinely finding it hard to sleep now having seen the news that Tehran - a population of 10 million are being urgently advised to leave. Is anyone else feeling very concerned (and nervous) watching what is now taking place in the ME? It is being reported that Israel have ‘full ariel control’ of Iran?

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-has-full-control-of-tehrans-airspace-over-100-missile-launchers-destroyed-idf-says/

www.euronews.com/2025/06/17/trump-hints-at-major-israeli-offensive-as-he-urges-all-of-tehran-to-evacuate-immediately

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2025/6/17/live-israel-iran-trade-attacks-trump-orders-residents-of-tehran-to-flee

Well I checked all the intel noted as credible and backed up.
Better than X which I’ve seen a lot of here
or business insider !
Never take anything as fact until you’ve cross checked a few times

(. I used to use Times of Israel as well but after recent announcements on reporting restrictions set by the Israeli Govn I won’t be using that again and tbh there’s very little even in the major UK news )

Exactly

Agree Clever
Why would people who want the starvation and bombing of civilians have any interest or knowledge on Houthi slogans. Who cares.
Lets stop with the propaganda and use our common sense to see with our own eyes what’s going on
We don’t need a paper or the news to tell us what our opinions should be…..we can see it for ourselves.

Well said 👏👏👏👏👏

Its not rocket science to understand most people have empathy and don’t give a toss what religion people are.
We are all equal and of the same human race.

Hamas are only driven by religion when they slaughter Jews. That's ok though because it's only the Jewish wanting to be wiped out because of their race and religion. Yet, I can guarantee you will be one of the first to jump on any thread, where you sniff Islamaphobia. As for Iran not being a threat to the UK @cleverbutscatty get your head out the sand. 5 Iranian terrorists were arrested on British soil on MI5 Intel. I repeat, extremists are driven by intolerance and you expect everyone to have empathy for their cause, and disdain for Israel's right to exist? No, it's not happening.

Whereas, we can trust the anti-semite ‘news’?

Israel-Iran conflict unleashes wave of AI disinformation

Over 100,000,000 views on the top 3 faked videos alone.

In what way is this showing any antisemitism? It suggests fake news is purposely being circulated by Iran and Israel.

Because, the BBC does mention in passing Israeli supporters meddling, just for balance.
However, the whole article is about the pro-Iranian fakery.
”Our analysis found a number of videos - created using artificial intelligence - boasting of Iran's military capabilities, alongside fake clips showing the aftermath of strikes on Israeli targets.”

I didn't see that post (or would have reported it) but obviously it got deleted anyway by MN.

You don't get to demand people answer why they support Israel, or why they support Palestine. These are our personal views which we are entitled to express without being challenged on our reasons why we support one side or the other. And if we support one side or the other, you could say that none of us are impartial.

You definitely don't get to bring people's families into these discussions.

And for what is worth. Israel attacked Iran. That is enough motivation. If another country bombed the UK we would do the same back. Are they meant to just sit and meekly take it? Did anyone think that was what would happen? Of course not.
They literally bombed another country and had the audacity to complain when they retaliated. It's absurd.

Try replacing a few words and see if you still agree with your own statement.

And for what is worth. Hamas attacked Israel. That is enough motivation. If another country massacred UK citizens we would do the same back. Are they meant to just sit and meekly take it? Did anyone think that was what would happen? Of course not.
They literally massacred another countries innocent citizens and had the audacity to complain when they retaliated. It's absurd.

You just won't see past your prejudice and actually hear what people are saying.

The people campaigning for an end to genocide are not doing so because anyone is Jewish, Muslim or anything else. It is because people have empathy and can identify with how they would feel if it was their dad shot dead in the street trying desperately to get food for his starving family, they can imagine how they would feel if it was his bleeding body on the ground, him in pain, him they would never see again. They can imagine how they would feel if their small child had become mute, so traumatised by seeing people die and injured around them, living in mortal fear so long they have lost the ability to speak. They actively try and imagine how they would feel if it was their tiny baby lying lifeless on their arms, after 9 months of pregnancy, all the hope and excitement, only for their tiny life to be cut short.

I am not saying Hamas aren't a religious group, they have come about primarily as a resistance to the oppression of the Palestinians. If it was not them it would be someone else, because you can't systematically abuse an entire people for decades and expect them not to fight back. If they are electorally disenfranchised and have few rights under and aparteid regime, you are likely to see violence in the approaches and there will be people in the oppressor's group hurt. Obviously a small fraction of the number that are hurt in the oppressed's group.

Nobody fighting for an end to the genocide is doing so because those perpetrating it happen to be Jewish. They are fighting because genocide is evil (I need a stronger word but can't think of one).

Nobody fighting for an end to the genocide is doing so because those perpetrating it happen to be Jewish.

Because then you can neatly split the world into goodies and baddies and not have to worry about anything being a bit more complicated than that?

How do you explain the Houthi attacks on ships in the Red Sea that they have said they will continue to do until Israel stops its war in Gaza? Are they not fighting for an end to the genocide? Pro-Palestinian protesters certainly marched the streets of London chanting support for their actions.

But you have already admitted that the Houthis are antisemitic.

Well you can hope for this as we all do but it’s unlikely to be delivered through bombing

Stop turning yourself inside out to defend genocide and ethnic cleansing.

There are both legitimate international groups and yes also terror groups that will use their various means to try to stop the genocide (Calling it a war when one side is the occupying power and the other a group of people entirely dependent on them is just a bare faced lie. Its genocide).

If a terror group is using violence to achieve this goal that is wrong. However it does not mean that the aim of stopping the genocide is wrong. And certainly does not mean all those trying to achieve this by legitimate, peaceful means are somehow supporters of the terrorist group.

I am not seeing your point. Some people in the world are antisemites and some of these are supportive of the Palestinians. Does this mean that nobody else should support the Palestinians?

Some people who are gender critical are anti abortion and pro Trump, does this mean nobody else should be gender critical?
Some US Christians are white supremacists, should nobody else be a Christian?
Some Israelis are violent settlers and islamophobes, does this mean we should think that all Israelis are?

I do wonder if the majority of the Iranian people, well those old enough to remember, prefer life under the current regime or that under the Shah. Clearly the latter wasn’t perfect but at least they weren’t considered such a threat to everyone else who doesn’t agree with their extreme views

It's also really interesting how you periodically wheel out 'you are defending a genocide' when I have done nothing of the sort. It's like a glitch.

You appear to agree with me. "Some people in the world are antisemites and some of these are supportive of the Palestinians"

And not the previous poster who insists that no one supportive of Palestinians are antisemitic or motivated by antisemitism.

I agree with this statement

'And for what is worth. Hamas attacked Israel. That is enough motivation. If another country massacred UK citizens we would do the same back. Are they meant to just sit and meekly take it? Did anyone think that was what would happen? Of course not.
They literally massacred another countries innocent citizens and had the audacity to complain when they retaliated. It's absurd.'

I believe that what happened on October 7th was the worst massacre and torture of Jews since the Holocaust. Do I believe that Israel had the right to defend itself. Absolutely. Do I believe that Hamas are antisemitic? Yes I do. Do I believe that many people in the Iranian government and their proxies are anti-semitic? Yes I do.

However, I still believe that the IDF is guilty of war crimes and that what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. I believe that Netanyahu uses antisemitism to deflect justified criticism and outrage and I don't think he gives a toss about the remaining hostages. His motivation is to remain in power indefinitely to avoid being held to account for his corruption. After the Iranian strike on an Israeli hospital which killed many Israeli citizens, he said that he and his family were suffering too as they have had to cancel their son's wedding for the second time. Like Trump, he completely lacks empathy and his motivation is always self-interest.

The current regime is not good to it's people and particularly women, but it's beyond arrogant to assume that most people in an Islamic country would be happier under a Western regime, especially one forced on them!

There are international organisations working on human rights abuses, and that work should continue to challenge their government. Where democracy is thwarted in a country again there are international groups working on this (not to be confused with Israel throwing a few bombs their way). If it persists there are peaceful means that hit trade etc. Beyond that Iran, like every other country, should be governing themselves and developing their own government and regime without 'helpful' interference from the west and Israel.

The colonialist mindset of wanting to 'improve' other countries by trying to force Western values and way of life on them is not far away here.

This is a really thoughtful post which recognises a lot of the complexity of the situation. Thanks.

You are twisting people's words.
Wanting to stop genocide is legitimate.

You are saying people only want to stop genocide (can't believe we are having to justify why someone doesn't want genocide to continue) because of their prejudices against the perpetrators of genocide. What a twisted way to look at it.

Many groups of people across the world want o stop this genocide ( which is being lead by a war criminal). Some of them may be racist. Small numbers may use terrorist means. Neither of those things are ok. Globally there are millions of people protesting because genocide. That dwarfs the groups with dubious motivations.

The fact that there are small numbers of people, whose motivations may be partially due to dubious reasons, does not mean the vast numbers of people across the globe who are motivated to stop the genocide ( because they want to see an end to the suffering of innocents), are supportive of terror or racist towards the perpetrators. The Israeli government are cunts. Not because they are Jewish, because they are murderous war criminals.

And whilst some of the terror groups are using unacceptable violent means, or have racist views of Israelis and/or Jews that does not reduce the legitimacy of all the people pursuing the end of the genocide for good reasons, because they care about the suffering of innocents.

I am appalled that anyone could have in their heart that they want genocide to continue.

You are saying people only want to stop genocide (can't believe we are having to justify why someone doesn't want genocide to continue) because of their prejudices against the perpetrators of genocide. What a twisted way to look at it.

Except that's a lie and I didn't say that.

I am appalled that anyone could have in their heart that they want genocide to continue.

Are you trying to suggest that I have said this or think this?

It is pretty funny someone who has been very vocal about people being falsely accused of antisemitism when they are merely criticising Israel deciding to accuse someone of supporting genocide merely for pointing out that e.g. the Houthis hate Jews.

Apologies if I have misunderstood the relevance of you mentioning the Houthis.
Could you make your point explicit?

We're on a thread about Iran. Iran fund the Houthis. The Houthis are involved in attacks on Israel. You have variously said that no one attacking Israel is antisemitic and also that Iran hasn't attacked Israel.

The Houthis therefore seem pretty relevant.