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Iran - full evacuation of Tehran?

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Fitasafiddle1 · 17/06/2025 04:18

Genuinely finding it hard to sleep now having seen the news that Tehran - a population of 10 million are being urgently advised to leave. Is anyone else feeling very concerned (and nervous) watching what is now taking place in the ME? It is being reported that Israel have ‘full ariel control’ of Iran?

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-has-full-control-of-tehrans-airspace-over-100-missile-launchers-destroyed-idf-says/

www.euronews.com/2025/06/17/trump-hints-at-major-israeli-offensive-as-he-urges-all-of-tehran-to-evacuate-immediately

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2025/6/17/live-israel-iran-trade-attacks-trump-orders-residents-of-tehran-to-flee

Blasts rock Tehran, Tel Aviv; Iran warns Israel of ‘devastating’ attacks

Blasts rock Tehran and sirens blare in Tel Aviv as hostilities between Iran and Israel continue for a fifth day.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2025/6/17/live-israel-iran-trade-attacks-trump-orders-residents-of-tehran-to-flee

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QuiteUnbelievable · 20/06/2025 22:26

Did anyone see the activist on sky (identity hidden obviously), saying the regime is still too powerful to go agaisnt.
I can't imagine how people may feel being so close to some sort of freedom at long last

CleverButScatty · 20/06/2025 22:49

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CleverButScatty · 20/06/2025 22:57

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You are making up random accusations at me because I disagree with genocide. Please pack it in.

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 22:58

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The clue is in the word "extremists". Get a grip.

CleverButScatty · 20/06/2025 23:00

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 22:58

The clue is in the word "extremists". Get a grip.

You used the terms interchangeably.

Dangermoo · 20/06/2025 23:03

CleverButScatty · 20/06/2025 23:00

You used the terms interchangeably.

I know what I meant, what spin you want to put on it, doesn't change that. You talk about antisemitism being used to shut down conversation, yet you're happy to do the exact same. Hypocrite.

noblegiraffe · 20/06/2025 23:09

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CleverButScatty · 20/06/2025 23:21

Essentially, because your moral compass is based on prejudice against people of another religion, you absolutely cannot fathom that other people's aren't.
I do not care what anyone's religion is, I care about their actions, choices and how they treat others. I don't feel that different rules apply for people of other religions, don't believe that everyone of a particular religion share opinions, thoughts and are generally a homogenous group.

I feel that the actions of the Israeli government are wicked. It doesn't matter what the religion of the perpetrators or the victims are. I also think that Iran is a hugely problematic regime, but living under that regime are humans like you and me, who do not deserve to be bombed, killed, injured. I think Israel needs to be stopped, but would like to see that done diplomatically not through bloodshed, because who is ok with families, children, parents, grandparents being blown apart, suffering horrific injuries. Would I like to see harsh sanctions ,yes, do I want to see anyone at all killed and injured...no, do I even need to explain why? Can you not, for a second imagine it was your children in that situation? Do you have no empathy?

CleverButScatty · 20/06/2025 23:29

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Why are you trying to suggest that I must be a Houthi sympathiser because I want to see genocide end?
Can you not understand that some people aren't interested in 'sides', they just want the genocide to stop and for the international community to push for more peaceful resolution instead of just trying to justify the bloodbath. I am pretty sure that the young children and babies blown up don't can't that either. Or the huge numbers of children who doctors report present as mute doe to trauma.
It's not a game, it's people, their children, their lives. You really aren't seeing them as humans. This is the problem.

noblegiraffe · 20/06/2025 23:32

CleverButScatty · 20/06/2025 23:29

Why are you trying to suggest that I must be a Houthi sympathiser because I want to see genocide end?
Can you not understand that some people aren't interested in 'sides', they just want the genocide to stop and for the international community to push for more peaceful resolution instead of just trying to justify the bloodbath. I am pretty sure that the young children and babies blown up don't can't that either. Or the huge numbers of children who doctors report present as mute doe to trauma.
It's not a game, it's people, their children, their lives. You really aren't seeing them as humans. This is the problem.

Fascinating that you're above such things as the motivations of the people attacking Israel.

CleverButScatty · 20/06/2025 23:43

noblegiraffe · 20/06/2025 23:32

Fascinating that you're above such things as the motivations of the people attacking Israel.

It's not a sixth form debate. It's actual people's lives. And for what is worth. Israel attacked Iran. That is enough motivation. If another country bombed the UK we would do the same back. Are they meant to just sit and meekly take it? Did anyone think that was what would happen? Of course not.
They literally bombed another country and had the audacity to complain when they retaliated. It's absurd.

noblegiraffe · 21/06/2025 00:06

CleverButScatty · 20/06/2025 23:43

It's not a sixth form debate. It's actual people's lives. And for what is worth. Israel attacked Iran. That is enough motivation. If another country bombed the UK we would do the same back. Are they meant to just sit and meekly take it? Did anyone think that was what would happen? Of course not.
They literally bombed another country and had the audacity to complain when they retaliated. It's absurd.

Do you not believe that Iran has attacked Israel?

This is why this whole position is absurd.

noblegiraffe · 21/06/2025 00:08

Do you not think that Iran poses any threat to the UK?

CleverButScatty · 21/06/2025 00:12

noblegiraffe · 21/06/2025 00:06

Do you not believe that Iran has attacked Israel?

This is why this whole position is absurd.

They retaliated. Israel attacked them first. This is widely agreed on by all news outlets, I'm not aware that there is any debate about this at all.

noblegiraffe · 21/06/2025 00:16

CleverButScatty · 21/06/2025 00:12

They retaliated. Israel attacked them first. This is widely agreed on by all news outlets, I'm not aware that there is any debate about this at all.

You aren't?

You don't know about Iran funding all those attacks on Israel? Really?

CleverButScatty · 21/06/2025 00:16

noblegiraffe · 21/06/2025 00:08

Do you not think that Iran poses any threat to the UK?

Not directly no. I do not believe it likely that Iran would directly attack the UK.
There are hostilities with the regime toward the West generally and the region is not stable.
But I do not think there is any threat of them initiating war against the UK.
Israel is a a bigger threat because of the the fact that they are determined to start a war and drag the USA and the UK into it.
Although Trump's maga lot aren't very happy about it, he'd be stupid to shit on his electoral base like that (as much as a I hate him and his electoral base).

CleverButScatty · 21/06/2025 00:19

noblegiraffe · 21/06/2025 00:16

You aren't?

You don't know about Iran funding all those attacks on Israel? Really?

There have been those kind of incidents on both sides for years. It's an example of the lack of stability in the area. It's not the same as the governments openly attacking the other country in an act of war.

noblegiraffe · 21/06/2025 00:23

CleverButScatty · 21/06/2025 00:19

There have been those kind of incidents on both sides for years. It's an example of the lack of stability in the area. It's not the same as the governments openly attacking the other country in an act of war.

So Iran is fine because it attacks via proxies but Israel isn't fine because it attacks directly?

What about when Iran launched their attack directly on Israel in April 2024?

CleverButScatty · 21/06/2025 00:25

noblegiraffe · 21/06/2025 00:08

Do you not think that Iran poses any threat to the UK?

I've already said no, not directly.
Israel is a fucking massive threat as I say as they are determined to drag the USA and UK into a war in the region.

noblegiraffe · 21/06/2025 00:26

CleverButScatty · 21/06/2025 00:16

Not directly no. I do not believe it likely that Iran would directly attack the UK.
There are hostilities with the regime toward the West generally and the region is not stable.
But I do not think there is any threat of them initiating war against the UK.
Israel is a a bigger threat because of the the fact that they are determined to start a war and drag the USA and the UK into it.
Although Trump's maga lot aren't very happy about it, he'd be stupid to shit on his electoral base like that (as much as a I hate him and his electoral base).

"Directly attack" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, no?

https://inews.co.uk/news/iran-ramping-up-secret-war-on-uk-soil-3761167

How Iran is ramping up its secret war on UK soil

Intelligence services warn that Iran is increasing its long-running operations in Britain as Tehran readies to order a wider assault if the UK offers support to Israel

https://inews.co.uk/news/iran-ramping-up-secret-war-on-uk-soil-3761167

noblegiraffe · 21/06/2025 00:28

This is fascinating.

Proxies don't count. It only counts if you attack under your own name otherwise you're golden.

CleverButScatty · 21/06/2025 00:32

There will always be these groups. But you can't bomb a country.
An example would be the IRA bomb in Warrington in the 1980s. It was absolutely horrific but wouldn't have justified bombing fucking thousands of innocent people in Dublin in the hope that a couple of terrorists got caught up in it.
Look at the messy legacy of the 'war on terror'. And the WMD that never were (suspiciously like the nearly ready nuclear weapons that dickhead has been saying Iran are a few weeks away from for decades). You can't bomb thousand of innocents because terror groups operate in their vicinity.

noblegiraffe · 21/06/2025 00:38

So you think that Iran poses no threat to Israel? Interesting.

CleverButScatty · 21/06/2025 00:42

noblegiraffe · 21/06/2025 00:38

So you think that Iran poses no threat to Israel? Interesting.

You haven't asked that, you asked if they were a threat to the UK.
Why does it involve the UK if one ME county is a threat to another?
Absolutely not something for the UK to get involved in in terms of a potential conflict.
It was inappropriate European/USA interference in the ME since WW2 that's caused half the problems.

noblegiraffe · 21/06/2025 01:19

So you do agree that Iran poses a threat to Israel and has been attacking Israel?

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