To say that most heavy duty physical labour is done by men? When was the last time a female plumber, builder, roofer,painter and decorator, drain unblocker, or boiler or washing machine engineer came to your house?

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To say that most heavy duty physical labour is done by men?

I know. Shall we look for it, or not bother?

Fab, I love getting stuck in! I've got my hgv, my ipaf and my work at sea medical too. I totally try to encourage more women into my job but sometimes the shifts are a barrier if you have kids or your partner is on similar shift pattern. It's a barrier.

A female plumber replaced my boiler. 5 ft nothing slim blonde, well groomed. Did a cracking job too, I find women trade people tend to be more conscientious so actively seek them out now

My scaffoldervwas a woman. She was bloody gorgeous - and I say that as a happily married heterosexual woman.

Yes. You may find you get a more efficient, punctual service and no "banter" to waste your time.

Maybe the fact it is physically demanding for men… and therefore even more difficult physically for women. Not wanting to do a job you are physically unsuited to would seem sensible rather than be a reason to denigrate someone, or deny them the vote.

My DM is a fisherwoman.

You still haven't said what your point is. What is the point of your thread?

If you think men shouldn't compete in women's sports its for a reason. Similarly, men tend to choose "tough" kind of physical labour because they are men. If you think women deliberately choose tough physical labour and don't have to, I'd like to see some examples backed up with fact. I seem to recall, women working down the mines in the 19th century was banned because they were sexually assaulted down there.

You say women don't do the heavy lifting because women won't do the heavy lifting

Yet the male dominated roles you lost are fairly well paid heavy lifting roles in 'trades'

Even the fact a brickie is a trade but a long term industrial cleaning operative is an unskilled worker is part of it.

Women do plenty of heavy lifting roles, 12 hour cleaning shifts with chemicals and hard physical labour for minimum wage, carers and nurses but carers earn less than brickies despite physical labour, I sociable hours and personal physical risk placed on them.
.you appear to be saying 'women wouldn't cope without big strong men's

But as mentioned previously the country didn't grind to a halt when men were sent to war women stepped into the roles left open.

During COVID when women in healthcare and other essential roles were working while men working in offices were furloughed many women were still home schooling while men brewed beer discovered themselves, baked sourdough, whatever else they got up to with their spare time.

Poor men, poor wee souls, undervalued, yet paid more for their physical labour.

Their i.portance is eroded yet they are paid more in traditionally male industries than amyone in a comparable female one

While we're at it historically men were 'artists' when they painted, yet when women wove intricate tapestries that was a 'craft' and they weren't worthy of note in themselves.

I can do this all day, mysogyny built the world, if you're sad about men having to be roofers please apply for a minimum wage carers role, they are crying out for men to clean those aging foreskins

If all the men in the world disappeared tomorrow, do you think women would stare helplessly at blocked drains and dripping u bends, or do you think we’d probably work it out somehow?

i think we’d be alright.

as an aside, as many people have pointed out, women do the vast majority of low paid and unpaid physical care. How would that get done, if they went on strike?

Whose fault was that?

But there are also girls who aren't suited to university; they too can enter the trades.

Physical strength isn't as important as it once was. There are health and safety rules limiting what an individual worker should lift, there are power tools, harnesses for working at height and so on. And there always have been women doing heavy, physical work - it's just it's often been overlooked because it's been women doing it. (100 years ago, most housework was heavy physical work, too.)

AIBU to say most Olympic sprint gold medallists are adults? When was the last time a toddler broke the 10 second barrier?
Really makes you think doesn't it?
Oh no wait it doesn't.

Men choose 'tough physical labour's because it's more pay for less training or why aren't more of them volunteering to hoist and bedbath bariatric patients with aggression causing mental health conditions?

Gosh - women not safe in male dominated environments because of the permanent threat of sexual violence. I’m sure there is a school of sociopolitical thought that could explore that.

What about the women all over the world who did the men jobs during the first and Second World War? Millions of men died. You still haven’t replied to that?

You seem to be implying it's wo.ens fault they were assaulted? Or that they should have been kept down the mines regardless or it's unfair? Which is it

Spoken like the stalwarts I met in my career 20 years ago.... we've moved on! I find this do offensive! A lot of Women lift more than men in the gym these days. You're not tall enough, strong enough, how will you rescue folk out a burning building.... I did it just fine and more often than my male colleagues.

Female plumber sorted my bathroom
Female builder now sorting kitchen.

We need more girls to train in these skilled trades.

Over the past 20 years in my property, not a single female in to repair the boiler.

How old were you in the 19th century?

More seriously 1. There are plenty of examples on this thread 2. You're not a schoolmarm/schoolmaster to ask us to show our working 3. The thinly disguised rape threat to women who encroach on men's territory doesn't succeed in sounding like faux concern

You might want to look into how class and ethnicity inflect labour choices/opportunities for women.

A lot of men choose these “tough jobs” because they are too thick to do anything else. No “tough jobs” involves using your brain.

Why would you think a male is inferior when it comes to repairing or performing a job?

MN could really do with that, far too many posts on here whenever there’s a male nursery worker that assume he’s going to be up to no good.