There will be a national enquiry into the grooming gangs

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/14/keir-starmer-national-inquiry-grooming-gangs

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YABU: this was unnecessary
YANBU: this was the right thing to do

Are you shouting at clouds? You're certainly not addressing any points I've made. Have a lie down.

Oh you really do love your extremes don't you....

So if climate change caused suffering across the UK would you say it is fine we'll just focus on dealing with one area in the UK because the rest aren't important they can suffer still?

So if they said remove all brown people from the UK what would you do to make sure they are listened to as that is what they want.

Are you actually going to engage in points raised or make constant snarky remarks? Talk about tiresome.

I suppose you would start with "why?" To unpick what their real boiled down problem is...

That is clearly an extreme position. I can't help feeling that your question is somewhat of a trap.

So they could have the monopoly on crime?

What would you do? Also did you find a mosque you could go to in the end that I suggested?

Nope that is what they were saying when rioting that they want immigrants out. Not italian immigrants, not australian immigrants or saffa immigrants - brown immigrants. They also categorise all brown people as immigrants despite most being born here.

Basically they want ethnic cleansing.

Sorry, I didn't realise that not coddling the feelings of violent, destructive criminals was contributing to the systematic rape and torture of children. What would you like me to call people who commit violent attacks on innocent people, destroy their own communities with vandalism and robbery and set fire to places of worship?

No, I think the equivalence that you are trying here is to say that either we tackle all the ills in the world or we tackle none.

I'm not going to spin myself in these knots.

How I see it is that we know that a specific section of the Pakistani community are massively overrepresented in the industrial scale abuse of predominantly, but not exclusively, extremely vulnerable white underage girls, and many on the coal face suspect that this is the tip of the iceberg. I see a media that was reluctant to report, and uses euphemisms such as grooming and Asian for rape and Pakistani. I see politicians falling over themselves to bury this issue and cry far right at every opportunity. I see victims being criminalised. I see the usual shit from the do gooders every time a rape gang of white origin is uncovered asking where the outrage is. Of course there is outrage, but by definition the authorities did their fucking job, other than a select few who are fucking heroes, no one seemed to want to take this on.

After the Pulse nightclub massacre in Orlando in 2016 - a homophobic mass shooting by a Muslim man - I read an article about the impact on the Muslim community. None of the Muslims interviewed expressed a word of sympathy for the victims or their families. None of them condemned homophobia or even mass murder. It was all about them, and how worried they were about potential retaliation. The article presented the Muslim community as the true victims of the massacre.

'Idiots' would suffice. No need to fight racism with racism.

Not all the ills in the world just focusing on dealing with child abuse without excluding some perpetrators and some victims.

It is certainly not predominantly white girls that are their victims! You really think rapists do not rape people in their own community and that kids in pakistani communities are safe with paedos because these muslim victims do not report it because they cannot. A prime example of what I said. You are happy to exclude muslim victims. Why?

The media did report. They only reported on grooming gangs that were not white. They didn't report on grooming gangs that were white. Reluctant for some reason to report on white grooming gangs.

Of course there is outrage but no burning of people when it is white men doing it? Why? They don't care enough to riot when it is white people doing it as they support them in the main and turn a blind eye. Irony eh? The authorities did not do their jobs at all with victims of white gangs. Not one bit. They did exactly the same to victims of white gangs as they did to victims of brown gangs.

Odd that black gangs are never mentioned also?

It's for the same reason violent thugs riot over VAWAG when someone with brown skin does it. They're not adverse to domestic abuse or endemic sexual violence when they are their ilk are doing it.

I wonder how many are marching to end VAWAG, volunteering in charities and calling out misogyny when they see it?

I have Muslim friends and colleagues. I'm not a racist just because I think we should be able to speak out about the heritage of grooming gangs perpetrators.

Oh completely! These thugs are violent people. People would have you believe that those who are violent in broad daylight in front of cameras and the press are not violent thugs elsewhere - in the home, in town etc. We have people spiking drinks, smashing glasses in people's faces in town, hitting people with snooker cues, smashing up football stadiums etc but yeah they are not violent aside from the riots eh?

They are all a much of a muchness.

I think it's distateful that you are assuming I either have total ignorance towards Muslims or don't like them just because I'm not in the extreme liberal left camp. You don't seem to be able to grasp that it's possible to be able to challenge minority problems without hating on people !?

You're arguing with yourself now.

Grand I never said you were racist.

We can speak about the heritage of grooming gangs absolutely.

We can speak about the brown gangs.
We can also speak about the white gangs.
Oddly no one has spoken about the black gangs.

So yes you can speak about the brown gangs in the same way I can speak about all gangs including the white ones. Right?

What is your take on black grooming gangs and why that is being ignored?

In Rotherham/Oldham type areas? They are one of the dominant cultural groups in the lower social economic classes of that area.

Just like in Northern Ireland white WC Catholics or white WC Protestants dominate their local organised crime groups. (ditto in Glasgow and some other parts of the UK). Just as in parts of South London organised crime has a sizeable Jamaican inheritance and in North London its Albanians. In overwhelmingly white parts of the country its the traditional local white WC families.

You keep saying you don’t want to deflect by talking about specifically RC enabled abuse or other groups but its the same problem. The differences are some of the practical specifics and behaviours, not the nature of the crime. Do you really think the white WC East London gangs or white WC Catholic gangs funding the IRA had any respect for the women and girls they trafficked or the children to whom they sold drugs?

If you say migrants from some countries have a more conservative social attitude to women on arrival I’d agree with you. However lets not forget that its barely 30 years since a man could still legally rape his wife in the UK, its still near impossible to get convictions for rape and sexual assault - especially if the purpertrator is white and monied. Its really dangerous to assume misogynistic crime is mainly a problem of one group when most convictions for this type of individual and organised crime are IC1.

Middle class organised crime is typically more focused on fraud and cybercrime but the categories overlap when fraud and cybercrime become involved in money laundering. It doesn’t attract the headlines in the way that minority grooming gangs do but every one of us is paying for it every day.

I take umbrage with the point you make about victims being selected for their race. There are many Asian victims but they often get forgotten. They’re not targeted for their race, they targeted because they’re vulnerable and have less oversight irrespective of their race. Un/fortunately BAME girls tend to have less freedom and more oversight/control to the point that it often infringes their liberty therefore there is less opportunity for them to be groomed. When they are victims, it sadly goes unreported for many of the reasons you mentioned before; they are not believed and instead treated as promiscuous and troublemakers. Despite what mainstream media may have you believe, let’s not make it a race issue because it’s not. It’s a male issue and one that needs to be tackled. An inquiry is a good place to start.

Deflection? I asked a simple question in direct response to you:

OpheliaWasntMad · Yesterday 23:01
Well I’m Catholic and I’m horrified. We do talk about it - everyone I know is completely sickened. If you speak to Irish Catholics you would know how very strongly they feel about these atrocities. The abusers were clergy and the abuse was covered up by clergy . Not ordinary Irish Catholics. Ordinary Irish Catholic families were victims.
It will take generations for the wounds to properly heal .

Why not answer instead of...er...deflecting?

There are also a number of Sikh girls that have suffered. There's that euphemism again though. Asian. But the victims were predominately white British.