Junior Doctors Unemployment in August part 2

[PurpleFairyLights]

Following on from previous thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5337022-junior-doctors-unemployment-in-august?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

@PurpleFairyLights because they are strange. I’ve written to many MPs over the years about many things. Weirdly it’s their job to reply.

@Thethingswedoforlove 2 people on this thread, 99% of the BMA and several thousands doctors have asked for UKGrad priority. Wes has agreed this is necessary and saying he will implement it soon. IMGs will the be able to apply for jobs not taken.

But 2 people on this thread seem to prefer IMGs being employed over local staff. Wonder why ???

More appropriate to say strangely unconvinced by bullshit.

From a v sensibly senior IMG consultant

And plenty of posts across these threads from a good number of v sensibly senior consultants too (might or might not be IMGs. Why would that matter?). Almost every one of whom has taken issue with you.

Why is this necessary ? Because of the numbers of IMGs applying. PLAB raises a lot of money for the GMC.

From 2023. Things have escalated and deteriorated a lot since.

They are much worse this year. Glad that it is now being noticed and gathering momentum. If you search unemployed doctors in UK mumsnet threads come up.

I am wondering how "sensible" consultants 😂can stomach working in the NHS with such low quality unsafe UKMGs. It must be so stressful.

It is not a good look for consultants to have so little respect for their juniors and medical education in the NHS especially as part of their remit may be clinical or educational supervisor.

Also there have been quite a few studies not convinced it is a safe way to check IMGs are suitable to work in UK.

Think you missed mumsneedwine rather absurdly referring to a ‘v sensibly IMG consultant’. Not convinced you’re keeping up. Quite clearly I was taking the mickey.

Getting worse every year. Graph shows up to 2023. In 2024 there were 60,000 applications to 12,000 posts.

Surely it is not possible to continue like this? Or playing devil's advocate should the UK shut all their medical schools and outsource their medical training?

But yet still some consultants don’t care.

Very odd

"Not taken"? When did that happen? Sorry I can't have been paying attention.

I thought we had been offering jobs to suitable candidates before they accepted them; and when I say we, I mean senior doctors, not "Wes".

If juniors are going to start taking jobs, that will certainly make life interesting.

Marchesman I suspect that this post of yours will detonate the thread. It will be interesting to see if there's any comprehension whatsoever.

(My own guess is that there will be another link to a social media post by an awesome v sensibly senior consultant, at best).

Here you go 😂

Acceptable? Your group are lone voices.

While the next generation of doctors were at medical school in the UK they had no idea that thousands of them would be unemployed and have no future.

In my emails last night I requested an investigation into this. Who was responsible? Why was this not monitored? Even the meanest of intelligence would have realised that this waste of UK tax payers money would be noticed at some point.

Don't think for a second that your view of UKMGs and medical education will go down well in August when there are tens of thousands of unemployed UKMGs. Maybe it is arrogance or maybe something more low brow that drives your posts.

Awaiting the insult for you @PurpleFairyLights. How dare you post the facts.

Me too 😂

I’ve just caught up on the last few days’ posts. Man, this thread is a trip.

I just checked after getting loads of notifications- Amazing that this thread is still going 🤣

although more of a conversation now, which is kind of weird

Unfortunately, not in a good way 😂

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-doctors-nhs-10-year-plan-streeting-b2779942.html

I was having a chat on a sunbed last week with my Dd - newly graduated from med school, about to start F1. She's taken the UKMLA this year and was saying that about 99% of her cohort passed. She felt that although there is a lot of content to cover to pass, that none of it is particularly difficult. She said that the big drop off comes in the postgrad exams. Her view is that it should be harder to pass the UKMLA, and that there should be a merit based element to F1 allocations as this would encourage and promote excellence. Also the people who are going to fall by the wayside due to not getting through the postgrad exams would find out earlier, to allow them to adjust their lives, and also resources and training could be focussed on the people remaining. She talked a lot about how she had talked with US med students and residents during a recent trip and felt left behind, although in the context of her cohort she's been in the top decile as a minimum for the whole of her 6 years

I know this is the view of one young person, and that there'll be comments incoming about people developing at different rates and Oxbridge/London students being academically bright but socially 'less', but I thought it might counter the view that 'everyone here thinks UK grads should walk straight into a job' - not all UK grads even think that...