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Junior Doctors Unemployment in August part 2

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PurpleFairyLights · 03/06/2025 21:02

Following on from previous thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5337022-junior-doctors-unemployment-in-august?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

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mumsneedwine · 21/06/2025 19:11

UKGs will have priority for jobs. This is a good thing. Off out @Sevillian. I know you like to know my whereabouts if I don’t reply to you.

BlueGreenPanda · 21/06/2025 19:11

You haven’t, another poster asked for evidence and the only evidence provided was from holibob “over invested mums”. Feel free to include other examples though.

Acting like knowing 90% of medicine leads is the equivalent to a career as medic is funny.

I can name all of my high school science teachers. Doesn’t mean I know as much about science as them. I can name most of the politicians in the Labour Party, doesn’t mean I’m running for PM.

it’s great that your child got a job. However, my point still stands that I (as someone who also has a job) would be mortified if my mum was arguing with other doctors on Mumsnet for several days.

wannabewitch · 21/06/2025 19:43

OP - i respect your job - only wish there had been a programme like the WP when i was applying. Just struggle to understand why you fail to respect other peoples jobs.

you words
relieved. Otherwise she’d be 12,000 miles away for at least a year. She now has a guaranteed job for 7 years

You need more doctors to train more doctors. And they need guaranteed jobs when go to ST level

If UK graduates were prioritised they’d all get training

it would be such a simple fix. Run through training at one trust for every speciality, no need to

You have repeatedly said guaranteed training/job for UKMGs. You last suggestion run through training i one hospital clearly demonstrates what you do not understand about medical eduation

PurpleFairyLights · 21/06/2025 20:40

Sevillian · 21/06/2025 18:51

Incorrect PurpleFairlyLights, quite the opposite: I'm very in touch.

All the heightened emotion on these threads has been justified by the need to raise awareness. You've used the terminology of battle. There have been exhortations to write to MPs, start a petition. 'Wes is listening!'.

All absurd.

I can do any of those things or none. I have dyslexia so I don't appreciate your criticism of my writing style. It is like going back to the 1950s and not in a good way.

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PurpleFairyLights · 21/06/2025 20:44

wannabewitch · 21/06/2025 18:37

You have been goading over the two threads.You exagerate and make stuff up.

i have never assumed anyone is anything.

"You have been unpleasant about UKMGs and questioning their proficiency to go into training and the final insult was your post about patient safety. "

No not questioned everyone's proficiency, just pointed out that not everyone is ready to progress at the same time for a multitude of reasons but by guaranteeing progression this is actually a disservice to them and to patients. Competition is good for healthcare for those of us who are in the profession we recognise this.

i responded to a post about patient safety - which I do take seriously every day. But the belief that not employing PAs, AHPS and only doctors makes health care safer is simply not true. Those of us who do work in healthcare realsie none fo us can do our jobs wihtout the other.

Please tell me what I have made up?
Educated a few on Calman, MMC, ARCP etc but no lies

Look up previous threads where many people have commented about you making stuff up.

The faux innocence is not becoming.

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Sevillian · 21/06/2025 20:50

PurpleFairyLights · 21/06/2025 20:40

I can do any of those things or none. I have dyslexia so I don't appreciate your criticism of my writing style. It is like going back to the 1950s and not in a good way.

I said you used the terminology of battle. That is about terminology only and a million miles away from any errors made which can be attributed to dyslexia. That is pretty cheap to those who genuinely struggle with dyslexia.

Sevillian · 21/06/2025 20:56

mumsneedwine · 21/06/2025 19:11

UKGs will have priority for jobs. This is a good thing. Off out @Sevillian. I know you like to know my whereabouts if I don’t reply to you.

mumsneedwine my comment about your very singular updating of your movements on an almost daily basis wasn't in any way because I like to know about them - real or imagined - but because the neediness is exceptional. A previous poster (a few pages back - maybe last night?) mentioned the psychopathology of a few of the more vocal posters on this thread and I guess it feeds into that.

Sevillian · 21/06/2025 20:58

That makes me sound more interested than I am. Maybe 0.25/10 if I'm bored or trying to avoid work or a tedious domestic job :)

PurpleFairyLights · 21/06/2025 20:58

wannabewitch · 21/06/2025 18:41

"They are proceeding on merit of gaining an MBBS and successfully completing F1 and F2. For specialty training applications they are competing against other UK MGs"
But much of this thread has been about UKMGs being guaranteed a training post. So even if you are on the bottom of the bell curve, you should progress because you are a UKMG and you should have a job.

You know how it works. There has been no mention of a guaranteed place for UKMGs just that they are given priority.

I am surprised I have to explain this to you. If you have enough points you get a job (portfolio and interview) If you don't get enough points you don't get into training post.

It is about prioritising UK MGs deemed suitable to progress not rubber stamping all UKMGs.

Why do you do this? You keep making stuff up that we have not said. Then the faux shock.

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PurpleFairyLights · 21/06/2025 21:02

Sevillian · 21/06/2025 20:50

I said you used the terminology of battle. That is about terminology only and a million miles away from any errors made which can be attributed to dyslexia. That is pretty cheap to those who genuinely struggle with dyslexia.

So you are calling me a liar? I have dyslexia

You should know that dyslexia is way more complicated than that.

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PurpleFairyLights · 21/06/2025 21:06

Sevillian · 21/06/2025 20:56

mumsneedwine my comment about your very singular updating of your movements on an almost daily basis wasn't in any way because I like to know about them - real or imagined - but because the neediness is exceptional. A previous poster (a few pages back - maybe last night?) mentioned the psychopathology of a few of the more vocal posters on this thread and I guess it feeds into that.

Someone trying to psychoanalyse posters on a thread is just a joke.

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Sevillian · 21/06/2025 21:07

Oh give us a break. The fact that you chose to use the terminology of war/ battle for your campaign has nothing whatsoever to do with dyslexia.

Sevillian · 21/06/2025 21:10

PurpleFairyLights · 21/06/2025 21:06

Someone trying to psychoanalyse posters on a thread is just a joke.

OP I wasn't the person who raised the issue. But a previous poster having introduced psychopathology in relation to this thread and pointing out that it was interesting, I'm simply following suit. Also, to be clear, there has been no psychoanalysis by either that poster or myself. I'd keep any psychoanalysis to myself.

mumsneedwine · 21/06/2025 21:12

I’m currently in the pub. With a v hunky psychiatrist (I’m married to him so it’s all legal).
Nice that some posters are now attacking SEN, so classy.

Sevillian · 21/06/2025 21:14

I think you mean using SEN not attacking it. I happen to take SEN very seriously, having seen the effects that it can have.

Lovely that you're now married to a consultant mumsneedwine :)

mumsneedwine · 21/06/2025 21:16

Have been for years, as my kids dad died. He’s lovely. Thinks you’re an idiot though 😂. Makes me love him so much more.

Sevillian · 21/06/2025 21:22

I mean yes, sure (again).

Do you know that it's never been an offence anywhere in the UK to go to the pub with a psychiatrist, whether married to the psychiatrist or not? You can relax. no-one is going to bust you.

mumsneedwine · 21/06/2025 21:25

😂😂😂😂 you are just so ridiculous.

Sevillian · 21/06/2025 21:31

Well, not as ridiculous, so that's something 😂😂😂😂

Sevillian · 21/06/2025 21:33

Just to add that I'm currently on the beach with my lovely neighbour's lovely husband. It's ok though, all legal.

PurpleFairyLights · 21/06/2025 22:00

This thread is about UK prioritising UKMG for training posts. These are UKMGs that are competent to progress to a specialty training application. They would be getting their training number in the normal way by getting enough points from their portfolio and interview.

Apologies that I had to spell it out what we thought was taken as a red but it has been either misunderstood or deliberately misunderstood in an attempt to undermine mums and I and disrupt the thread.

There are a group of posters that have been trying to derail the thread. They may or may not know each other but they appear to be posting the same things at the same time.

In particular by bringing up topics that have absolutely nothing to do with the UK prioritising UKMGs. For example PAs, nurses, patient safety, low quality of UKMGs and medical education.

There are also posters that make up things in an attempt to discredit mums and I. There is one poster that stands out in particular. She has been called out by many people for spreading disinformation.

This thread is getting more toxic by the day. There is now a very misogynistic vibe to some posts. There is also an intellectual snobbery that can be unpleasant.

Once theses posters fill up this thread with mostly rubbish we will start another thread with more emphasis on looking at the various posts that have been put on the two threads and a couple of other threads that we feel need further research.

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PurpleFairyLights · 21/06/2025 22:01

Sevillian · 21/06/2025 21:10

OP I wasn't the person who raised the issue. But a previous poster having introduced psychopathology in relation to this thread and pointing out that it was interesting, I'm simply following suit. Also, to be clear, there has been no psychoanalysis by either that poster or myself. I'd keep any psychoanalysis to myself.

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You mentioned it.

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PurpleFairyLights · 21/06/2025 22:03

Sevillian · 21/06/2025 21:07

Oh give us a break. The fact that you chose to use the terminology of war/ battle for your campaign has nothing whatsoever to do with dyslexia.

I can use whatever terminology I like. Dyslexia is complex not just about spelling.

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wannabewitch · 21/06/2025 22:33

In particular by bringing up topics that have absolutely nothing to do with the UK prioritising UKMGs. For example PAs, nurses, patient safety - all brought up by you and mums!
patient safety by raining
disrespecting dyslexia - mums

I have just been discharged from hospital after a 5 day stint being cared for by fantastic nurses, doctors, PAs, physios to whom I am most grateful. and am heading home. I will not have time to post going forward but wish you all well, I have enjoyed being belittled, scorned for my education, lack of knowledge of the field I work, teach and mentor in successful, called more names and accused of much that I have not done or said.

And I still stand by my view that ot all UKMGs should automatically get higher training and a job. Competition is good and drives higher standards.

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