To think that women (or men) who drop their kids off at school in PJS, go shopping in Tesco in pj's and come down to the breakfast in a hotel in pj's are wrong in the head?

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I visited Amsterdam last year and was shocked to see an apparently middle class women coming down to breakfast in her pj's,dressing gown and slippers. Similarly going round Tescos where there are people, especially women in pj's and slippers. No doubt I'll be called an old right wing fascist or something.

What you don't comprehend is that it's not about pyjamas.

It's about defending people, full stop, from judgemental, unpleasant busybodies like you.

Wear PJ's, wear full make up and a diamond tiara. We don't care. It makes no difference to our lives what other people wear or what their reasons for it are.

You also can decide whether it's the middle class trying to demean the working class or whether it's awful slob behaviour copied from Americans. Which just proves you are generally unpleasant towards many, many groups of people and you need pulling up on that, like all bullies should be.

Depends on your definition of bad behaviour. I think the OP and you are behaving very badly towards people they know nothing about. I don't think being fully clothed and covered up in public, even in pjs, is bad behaviour.

There could be any number of reasons a person is in pjs. The only reason you and OP are so horrible to people is because that's who you are.

No, you aren't getting it. I didn't say trousers and PJs were the same. Some of the arguments you are using against people wearing PJs are the same as the arguments that were used against women wearing trousers once upon a time. Questioning the decency of the women wearing them, talking about standards slipping.

As for slippers indoors after being outside, there's been whole threads on here about it being 'rude' to ask people to take shoes off inside the house. Plenty of people don't take their shoes off. I always do. Plenty don't. That's up to them, it's their carpet.

Again with the silly, hyperbolic extrapolations.

Your arguments are based on emotional reactions, not logical reasoning. You have repeatedly failed to give any sort of answer as to why, whatever the reason someone else wears pyjamas outside of the house, it makes the smallest difference to your life.

Why are you bothered about someone else wearing muddy slippers in THEIR house? It's not your carpet.

Why are you bothered about someone else's child being embarrassed?

Why are you bothered about someone else getting back into bed in pyjamas worn outside? They aren't getting into YOUR bed.

None of this has anything to do with politics or even disability, etc. it's about why you think it is your damn business what someone else wears. And not once have you come up with a single logical reason as to why something you don't do, and nobody is making you do causes you a problem.

You have given us lots of reasons why you think it is a problem for the people who do it. But that isn't your argument to make. That isn't for you to decide. Just as it isn't for me to decide why you wear what you wear.

You don't want to wear pyjamas outside the house. Fine. Don't wear them. Problem solved for you, isn't it?

I manage to not wear pyjamas outside the house without making a big song and dance about it. I don't give two hoots if someone else wears them to go shopping in. Why would I? It's not affecting the price of my groceries, it's not making the bananas shrivel, it's not causing the ice cream to melt. It's no more of a health hazard than any other fully clothed person presents in the supermarket.

The general downfall in standards of behaviour affects ALL of us.

How?

What bad behaviour?

Where are the 'poor little me' posts please, OP? I'd be interested to know how you define those.

Standards of behaviour are not intrinsically linked to dress. If somebody is getting on with their shopping in Tesco's, not being rude or abusive, they haven't failed to meet any standard that actually matters.

I've come across plenty of smartly dressed people whose behaviour is appalling. I unfortunately live in an area which has a lot of drunken behaviour. Lying down in the street, shouting abuse in the street, etc. Not one of them has been wearing pyjamas. Some of them have been women dressed to the nines in makeup with jewellery on.

I work in schools in a deprived area. I've seen women swearing at their kids, being abusive to staff, etc, all fully dressed. Often fully made up with gel nails and immaculate hair.

What people are wearing is the least of my concerns about the behaviour of people in this country. I don't give a shit what you have got on. What I care about, what we should all care about, is how we are treating other people.

And, in my experience, which isn't universal, I accept, clothing isn't some magic tool that makes a decent human being who behaves better than someone wearing something else.

It's an outdated, simplistic notion that has been debunked time and time again.

What we DO is infinitely more important than what we wear.