To wonder if there's any actual evidence that's trans women are not safe in male loos?

[Evedence]

I feel, as a FWR lurker, that I would have seen linked articles to bank up the fact that trans identifying men aren't safe in men's loos, and therefore that's the rational why women should budge up and accept trans identifying men in their spaces.

I'm pretty sure with a quick Google I could fund evident that trans identity men have made women's spaces unsafe (Kate delowski? The one who worked for a charity and made a masturbation video).

So AIBU to wonder what hard evidence there is?

Women are not being challenged in womens toilets and even if they were I think they would survive it.
And no, a lot of Trans women do not look "no different" to women. No genital inspections are required to know who is a man and who is a woman

What ? The trans women I know just dress normally, not “like Barbie”.

Your point is the same as men make about women wearing revealing clothing causing their own rapes - ludicrous and victim blaming.

Define "normally".

Oh give us a fucking break from this tedious vitriolic fucking nastiness.
Please, just one day when someone is not posting this utter fucking hatred.
And no, I am not a man, I have never had a penis or balls and no, none of my sons, nobody in family is trans before any of you horrors accuse me of having skin in the game.
Do you all not have enough problems within your own lives.
Enough!!!

I'm willing to believe there may be an increased risk to (some) transwomen in male bathroom facilities, just as there will be increased risk to other groups of men/males.

Doesn't follow any of them should be using the women's toilets though.

It's not vitriolic for women to put themselves first for fucking once.

Wow, how victim blaming do you sound! You are no longer at threat, men are not allowed into female spaces.. That doesn’t mean it’s okay to throw trans people in lions den because they might wear lipstick and a mini skirt.

I read a news story last week about a young lesbian (who presented 'butch') who got knocked out and her head stomped for entering a woman's bathroom in the US.

I agree. You can't expect to have all these surgeries and then expect the world to bend to your will. To use my spider example from another thread, having 4 (I'm counting the arms!!) legs sewn on to your body doesn't automatically mean I'll let you live in my shed with the other spiders.

As women have we been reduced to accepting 'no rape or sexual assault' as the best we can hope for!

How about privacy & dignity away from men & trans identifying males when we are in a vulnerable state eg undressing, using the toilet. We absolutely have a right to single sex spaces - it's about much more than protecting ourselves from serious offences.

I dont know of any research on how much women feel their privacy & dignity is compromised in mixed sex toilets - anecdotally I think it's quite high (and probably through the roof for women who have experienced any type of male violence)

There is research that shows that the male pattern of violence is not decreased by them identifying as Trans.

Did you really?
Funny how nobody talked about this or showed any interest in young butch lesbians (other than to "convert" them) before this High Court ruling

Nobody is throwing them in a lion's den. Just asking them to use the toilets that have been provided specifically for people of their own sex.

How is it victim blaming when there is no evidence that they are actually victims of anything in men's toilets?

Is it only trans people who get to decide this or can anyone make this decision?

Effeminate men can just opt to use the women’s toilets as it’s safer for them? Boys who are bullied by other boys at school can choose to use the girls? Men who are known for sexually assaulting children would probably be safer in the women’s too…

And you believed that, did you?

Jesus christ.

Well?

If they were wearing jeans and a T-shirt, how would anyone know they were trans?

Correct.

I remember when a trans woman posted that they had a glittery knife to take into the women's toilet in case they encounter a terf I'm good with excluding them especially if they feel so unsafe they feel the need to carry a knife "just to pee"

You know you can't consent for other women? Women who do not want biological men in their single sex spaces.

If they're so afraid of "TERFs", why do they want to use the same toilets as us?

A lot of trans women, especially those who got puberty blockers, look no different from women born women.

(Literal) bollox.

By looking at them?

I'm talking about a trans woman in a men's toilet.

Bore off

No.