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What are your unpopular opinions that most mumsnetters don’t agree with?

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Rosebush1245 · 21/05/2025 20:01

Curious to know what opinions you see constantly on mumsnet that you think “Am I the only person that disagrees with that!?”

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Bumpitybumper · 22/05/2025 15:17

Those that insist that raising children is easy either have low standards or have somehow outsourced the majority of it and therefore don't really know what it entails.

WitchesCauldron · 22/05/2025 15:17

ExercicenformedeZ · 22/05/2025 15:16

It's isn't just unpopular, it is objectively incorrect, which is why you're getting pushback on it.

How is it incorrect? Do you know something the WHO doesnt?

JHound · 22/05/2025 15:18

Tryonemoretime · 22/05/2025 15:13

As you say - her body, her choice - until there is another body inside her.
And aren't there are other times when society has a responsibility to tell others what to do with their bodies? You wouldn't stand back and watch an anorexic starve herself to death, would you? Or watch a teenager leap off a cliff? As a society, we need to protect our most vulnerable members.
I know a very disabled 6ft young man - wheelchair bound, doubly incontinent, fed by peg, non verbal and totally dependent on his parents and carers for survival in every area of his life. He's one of the most vulnerable in society with no hope of ever being able to function independently. Once we start accepting that, to be a valuable member of society you need to be able to protect yourself and function unaided, there will be no barriers to killing the very old and disabled.

But we don’t pin down anorexics and force feed them. We may try to prevent a teenager throwing themselves over a cliff but would not restrain and restrict them to ensure they don’t. But most people would support an adult opting for euthanasia.

And none of these examples work as the individual is making a choice that harms them. In the case of a woman being restricted from accessing a termination then you are making a choice that harms her.

That’s not the same.

ThejoyofNC · 22/05/2025 15:18

WitchesCauldron · 22/05/2025 15:12

And that substantiates my point.

What point? That you've formed an opinion and decided that it's fact?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 22/05/2025 15:19

Bumpitybumper · 22/05/2025 15:17

Those that insist that raising children is easy either have low standards or have somehow outsourced the majority of it and therefore don't really know what it entails.

Or else their skill set naturally lends itself towards parenting and they're lucky enough to have healthy and relatively "easy" dc?

ExercicenformedeZ · 22/05/2025 15:19

WitchesCauldron · 22/05/2025 15:17

How is it incorrect? Do you know something the WHO doesnt?

It is incorrect to say that 'fed is best' isn't true. If you can't breastfeed, then of course you have to use formula. I don't understand how that is even a question.

DickAhOn · 22/05/2025 15:19

CoffeeCantata · 22/05/2025 13:07

And if the government (any government) would go back to being tough with the public about how we use the NHS. There should be a campaign to tell us a) how grateful we should be to have a free-at-the-point-of-use service and b) not to bother the doctor with rubbish (eg " I need my tat removed because mental health' or 'I must have anxiety because I have a job interview and I'm nervous" etc.)

The NHS was set up in the 40s to give us straighforward healthcare (basic operations), free glasses and dentures. That's why it could be free. Now we expect the world from it, especially as scientific advances raise our expectations, and a free service may be unsustainable.

I'm not in favour of anyone having to pay - I just think we should all be told what we can realistically expect for a free service.

And on that subject - much as I sympathise with anyone suffering from psychological problems (my daughter has been one of these), the NHS just cannot deal with mental health issues on the scale expected now. Counselling is always an open-ended therapy ('Great - that's my 6 sessions and I'm good! Bye!'....said no-one, ever). The govt, the NHS and all of us should be realistic about this. I don't get why they/we are not.

You might find that an aging population is the main factor that drives increasing healthcare costs. Maybe the NHS isn't the right model for an aging society but it's not because people go to the GP for anxiety.

DickAhOn · 22/05/2025 15:20

JHound · 22/05/2025 15:18

But we don’t pin down anorexics and force feed them. We may try to prevent a teenager throwing themselves over a cliff but would not restrain and restrict them to ensure they don’t. But most people would support an adult opting for euthanasia.

And none of these examples work as the individual is making a choice that harms them. In the case of a woman being restricted from accessing a termination then you are making a choice that harms her.

That’s not the same.

That's EXACTLY what we do with anorexics if needed. We do not let people with anorexia just starve themselves to death.

SwingTheMonkey · 22/05/2025 15:21

@Chaddi
As I said above, you don’t actually care about the children then. You’d rather they had a childhood of misery and poorer outcomes in adulthood, than not exist at all. I find that quite abhorrent.

Spidey66 · 22/05/2025 15:22

I'm a dog owner and she licks my face and sometimes sleeps on my bed. She comes to dog friendly pubs etc where she behaves impeccably.

I don't order people to take off their shoes in my house.

I'm happy for workmen or delivery drivers to use my toilet, even if it's for a poo. It's what it's for, we all do it, and if needed a splash of bleach and some air freshener and Bob's your uncle.

I'm of the 'a few germs are good for you' brigade, even during the pandemic, and am not into cleaning my shopping before it comes into the house. A ridiculous one I read here recently involved wearing socks at night. They had to be clean socks which were then changed in the morning in case (shock horror) some bacteria or germs were introduced into the bed.

I'm not a parent, but I've seen some very precious parents here. For example the maternal grandparents will be there during and straight after the birth, but the paternal ones aren't allowed to see their grandchild for 3-4 weeks after. I can understand wanting your mum for support, but to me it's cruel to deny the father's family an opportunity to see the newborn.

Chaddi · 22/05/2025 15:24

SwingTheMonkey · 22/05/2025 14:55

Tell that to the thousands of kids waiting to be adopted.

I'm happy these kids are alive and are not dead

ObelixtheGaul · 22/05/2025 15:26

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 22/05/2025 13:51

I’m not sure you understand this concept. There should be the local culture to an area. Different areas of Britain have their own native cultures. If one moves to an area you should get to understand the local traditions, norms and values. Now, of course, many of these spread throughout the nations that make up the UK.

When you move to an area, you should integrate into the local culture.

So for example, someone from London moving to a country village should support the local shop/pub. Not moan about farmers getting up at the crack of dawn and starting farming or that the church bells ring on a Sunday. As an English person they will already have an understanding of the wider customs, history, social norms and values common across England (and those across the other home nations).

If you move here from abroad it’s then one step removed. Someone from say Germany moving to that village will have and understanding of the values across the West but not necessarily local ones to England or that village

If someone moved to that village from America they would be a further step removed than the German needing to assimilate into a more European culture (taken here as being those customs, history, norms and values shared in Europe) then following the path set out for the German)

Someone moving from say Afghanistan will again be yet a further step removed removed and if they moved to that village would need to assimilate into western culture then European wide culture, British wide culture, English culture then the culture of that village.

Of course it’s more complicated than that but hopefully this sets out the issues sufficiently

Each time the culture of origin of the migrant is further removed from the local culture the more difficult it is to integrate and align your own morals, beliefs and actions with the local culture

So hope that has helped with what I meant.

So why is it important that we all share customs, morals beliefs (culture)? Well these things are the glue that holds societies together. People have similar expectations and understandings. This means that there is less conflict and division. Humans are, by instinct tribal creatures, we need ways of defining who is in our tribe (or not a threat) and those outside our tribe )potential threat) The rituals of common customs and experiences bind the tribe together.

Where cultures exist side by side the people exist side by side. Existing side by side is not a society.

Edited

What IS our 'culture' when you get right down to it? A bastardised version of a middle-Eastern religion and a handful of 'ancient' pagan ideas,a lot of which were actually invented by Victorians who wanted a bit more romance and mystery.

Even England's patron saint is a generic 'name picked out of a hat' who never even came here and is the patron saint of a fair few other countries.

Scotland, Wales and Ireland have rather more cultural heritage than the English (and they aren't quite so inclined to mock the folk music/dancing that remains, either).

People's views on the performing of the nativity baffle me. A story about a middle-Eastern couple fleeing from their home, looking for shelter...how does anyone not see the irony. The man we worship as the son of God wasn't from these parts. Christmas isn't even when he was born, but despite that, we hang on to this as a piece of 'our' culture. And despite the rumours and outrage, the only time Christmas ever got banned was by a puritanical Englishman.

We have spent centuries invading other people's land and bringing back bits of the culture we like, whilst stamping it out in every country we colonised.

Frankly, on the subject of different cultures mixing, we are the biggest hypocrites going. We don't do integration ourselves, but by golly we expect everybody else to.

SwingTheMonkey · 22/05/2025 15:31

Chaddi · 22/05/2025 15:24

I'm happy these kids are alive and are not dead

The fact you’d prefer a child, many children, to live a life of misery - either in the care system or with a parent who didn’t want them, possibly being abused - rather than aborted as a clump of cells, is absolutely abhorrent.

SouthLondonMum22 · 22/05/2025 15:35

Tryonemoretime · 22/05/2025 13:44

Of course society shouldn't treat women as incubators. And no one should force them to be pregnant against their will. But once they are pregnant, there are two humans to be cared for. An embryo is a stage in the development of a person - and it has value. Don't you think that if wombs had windows, people would be more careful of the child inside them? Twelve weeks after conception, your unborn baby is coordinated enough to suck his or her thumb. Would it be so easy to abort an unborn baby if one could see that thumbsucking?

No one says it is easy but it is still the right choice for some people even if it may be difficult.

The vast majority of abortions also happen within the first 12 weeks. Thumb sucking or not, a foetus can’t survive without the woman’s body and it is her body, she comes first.

CleverButScatty · 22/05/2025 15:39

SleeplessInWherever · 22/05/2025 12:06

Nice to see you’ve expanded on your “lock away the disabled kids” idea.

It’s a shame that it’s expanded to not letting them into schools either, as they’re assumedly a detriment there too.

With a nice smattering of intellectual exclusion too - don’t allow people who have qualified for uni to go, everyone’s more stupid than they once were.

It’s a very segregation based world you’d like to live in, and I’m pleased that those are unpopular opinions.

Completely agree

Arraminta · 22/05/2025 15:41

ExercicenformedeZ · 22/05/2025 14:48

How do you explain trans men, then? Are they all just 'fetishists' as well?

Yes.

FedupofArsenalgame · 22/05/2025 15:42

Zoono · 21/05/2025 21:54

Pushing women to have abortions without mentioning the benefits of being a parent, is wrong unless op knows that an abortion is definitely what they want. Just to add I am pro choice and would never judge anyone for decisions they make about their body.

Being transgender is absolutely fine.

Are there benefits to being a parent? Especially for someone who doesn't want a child ( whether it be at that point or forever)

Cosyblankets · 22/05/2025 15:43

You can leave your shoes on in my house and the world won't end

Chaddi · 22/05/2025 15:43

SwingTheMonkey · 22/05/2025 15:21

@Chaddi
As I said above, you don’t actually care about the children then. You’d rather they had a childhood of misery and poorer outcomes in adulthood, than not exist at all. I find that quite abhorrent.

Edited

Of course I care about the children. First I'd rather them be alive. Then I support helping them have a better quality of life. You can't have a quality of life if you don't exist.

Tryonemoretime · 22/05/2025 15:44

JHound · 22/05/2025 15:18

But we don’t pin down anorexics and force feed them. We may try to prevent a teenager throwing themselves over a cliff but would not restrain and restrict them to ensure they don’t. But most people would support an adult opting for euthanasia.

And none of these examples work as the individual is making a choice that harms them. In the case of a woman being restricted from accessing a termination then you are making a choice that harms her.

That’s not the same.

I'm not quite sure where to start with this...
Hospital treatment for severe anorexia involves force feeding in hospital.
Most people would definitely restrain someone who was about to jump off a cliff.
And many people disagree with euthanasia.
In some cases, restricting an abortion may result in harm to a woman, but allowing an abortion definitely results in the death of a baby and may also harm a woman.

KateERxx · 22/05/2025 15:48

Just because I don't want trans women in women's toilets, doesn't mean I hate trans people.

99% of blended family problems all come down to a DH problem.

Arraminta · 22/05/2025 15:49

That for a large swathe of teenagers, staying in school past the age of 14 is educationally pointless. The government should re-introduce technical/vocational colleges for these teens.

Spidey66 · 22/05/2025 15:49

I've thought of another. Every landlord should be shot because they're preventing people owning a house. That's ridiculous. Landlords are offering a service. There will always be a need for privately rented accommodation. Young people leaving home, students, etc. I'm living in privately rented atm as I'm relocating from London to Somerset. Someone one suggested here all private tenants should stop paying rent and/or smash their house up. Why the hell would I do that? It's not my forever home but perfectly suitable for now and in good condition. Much better than being homeless.

And on the subject of housing....council/HA property. Not everyone in them is on benefits, many work and pay their rent themselves. I've been there myself, both as a young child and as an adult but on both occasions ended up in privately owned accommodation (yes were in rented currently but that's temporary, we sold our last house and will be buying again). They should be seen as homes for life, people shouldn't be forced out of them because they got a promotion at work and can now buy. Also when people in social housing can afford to buy, it should be on the open market so leaving their council tenancy free for someone else. There used to be 'grants to vacate' whereby councils could offer money to tenants to help them buy elsewhere which IMHO is a much better option than right to buy.

The NHS should still offer services such as ear syringing or alternatives, podiatry such as ingrowing toenails or verruca removal instead of basically privatising these services.

People should use common sense and 'be kind'. I got slated a couple of years back because having suffered a fractured shoulder I sat on a priority need seat on the bus. I should have left it for someone more needy. It didn't matter that I couldn't balance properly and was at high risk of falling and/or causing further damage to my arm, which could have meant a protracted recovery possibly requiring surgery. That didn't matter, apparently.

Neetra30 · 22/05/2025 15:51

My unpopular opinion- that all women should have a choice of having an abortion regardless of reason.
Noone should have a say on what goes on with other women's lives, we are not in their shoes, we wont be living or helping them with their struggles. Its easy for pro life people to say abortion is murder but they are not the ones who would be dealing with unwanted children or families who are poor enough as it is and realise they cant have another without impacting their other children massively.
Children should only be brought into the world when they are wanted and parent/s have the resources and time available to support them.
Also religion says that women should not have abortions unless their life is at risk but what about if the quality of their lives are at risk? What if carrying another child causes them to have significant birth injuries that would cause pain that is not life threatening, but severe enough to impact them in every aspect of their lives?
Abortion is never black and white.

FedupofArsenalgame · 22/05/2025 15:52

stayathomer · 22/05/2025 00:48

Yes back in the real world most parents aren’t still treating their 17 year olds like a 5 year old.
Why do the parents need to pay for this? Why can’t the 17 year old get a job? Plenty of older teens pay for things themselves, I did, my friends did, with money from our part time jobs. We didn’t expect mummy and daddy to pay for it. Got to start teaching independence at some point.

Not really weighing in but just to let you know where we are most 17yos can’t find paying jobs nowadays- experienced adults take any pt jobs (due to shortages) or employees take on less staff. Most of ds’ class couldn’t find pt jobs/ summer jobs unless their parents were farmers or had shops or pubs. I’m 45 and worked from when I was 15 as did everyone I know but now Fb is full of people wishing their teens could find anything. And a 17yo can’t drive on their own yet surely? And if you’re rural you’re a bit stuck for transport!

Now my DS and his friends all had part time jobs at 16/17 DS got a job in McDonald's in 2020 in between lockdowns.
He paid for some of his driving lessons and I paid for others. Passed test at 18 but mainly due to wait for instructor spaces

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