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What are your unpopular opinions that most mumsnetters don’t agree with?

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Rosebush1245 · 21/05/2025 20:01

Curious to know what opinions you see constantly on mumsnet that you think “Am I the only person that disagrees with that!?”

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MyHeartyCoralSnail · 22/05/2025 13:51

SleeplessInWherever · 22/05/2025 13:21

Does that mean we should only have one culture - British?

I think there are huge areas of the country where it does work, and people do like harmoniously alongside/integrating with each other.

I’m not sure you understand this concept. There should be the local culture to an area. Different areas of Britain have their own native cultures. If one moves to an area you should get to understand the local traditions, norms and values. Now, of course, many of these spread throughout the nations that make up the UK.

When you move to an area, you should integrate into the local culture.

So for example, someone from London moving to a country village should support the local shop/pub. Not moan about farmers getting up at the crack of dawn and starting farming or that the church bells ring on a Sunday. As an English person they will already have an understanding of the wider customs, history, social norms and values common across England (and those across the other home nations).

If you move here from abroad it’s then one step removed. Someone from say Germany moving to that village will have and understanding of the values across the West but not necessarily local ones to England or that village

If someone moved to that village from America they would be a further step removed than the German needing to assimilate into a more European culture (taken here as being those customs, history, norms and values shared in Europe) then following the path set out for the German)

Someone moving from say Afghanistan will again be yet a further step removed removed and if they moved to that village would need to assimilate into western culture then European wide culture, British wide culture, English culture then the culture of that village.

Of course it’s more complicated than that but hopefully this sets out the issues sufficiently

Each time the culture of origin of the migrant is further removed from the local culture the more difficult it is to integrate and align your own morals, beliefs and actions with the local culture

So hope that has helped with what I meant.

So why is it important that we all share customs, morals beliefs (culture)? Well these things are the glue that holds societies together. People have similar expectations and understandings. This means that there is less conflict and division. Humans are, by instinct tribal creatures, we need ways of defining who is in our tribe (or not a threat) and those outside our tribe )potential threat) The rituals of common customs and experiences bind the tribe together.

Where cultures exist side by side the people exist side by side. Existing side by side is not a society.

Verv · 22/05/2025 13:51

"Could he be ND?"
Odds are that he's just a twat.

Sdpbody · 22/05/2025 13:53

MusicalDoc · 21/05/2025 22:12

That being trans is absolutely fine.

no one can change my mind on this, a close relative is a prominent anti trans influencer mentioned frequently on Mumsnet. She hasn’t changed my mind. You wont either.

Some times it's tricky because pro women doesn't actually mean anti trans.

x2boys · 22/05/2025 13:55

Verv · 22/05/2025 13:51

"Could he be ND?"
Odds are that he's just a twat.

Even worse when someone will confidently state thst they are almost certain the person the Op is describing is ND based on a couple of paragraphs

Sdpbody · 22/05/2025 13:56

I believe that the inclusion of children with SEN in mainstream school has been the biggest mistake to have ever happened to education.

It negatively affects not only the SEN children who simply cannot cope in the setting, but hugely affects teachers well being, happiness and ability to teach as well as negatively affecting the other children who are often disrupted, frightened or hurt.

Lucelady · 22/05/2025 13:56

@Chaddi im not sure if you're in the UK but we have a very low conviction rate for rape. If a minor of 12 was raped would you expect that child to continue with a pregnancy ?
In the USA you would get many years in prison, in other countries a capital sentence.
I cannot see our strong, feminist women voting for going back to no choice.
It may not be for you or me but we live in a democracy and we still have the rule of termination which must be in the best interests of the mother.

CoraTo · 22/05/2025 13:58

Another one - while children these days are 'babied' a little bit, back when I was young, the way pre-teens and teens were treated was rather disturbing especially in terms of how sexualised we were and rape culture.

The reason I think this will be unpopular is because I know most of MN will say they do not identify with my experience, but I have spoken to several others about it who I grew up with and they agree. In my northern very working class town in the 90s/00s I vividly remember:

  • In primary school, a teacher repeating what a male member of our community thought about women with a certain bad habit and it was about how it made those women unattractive to him. It was said to us as a warning that if we did that, men wouldn't find us attractive.
  • A female member of staff in secondary school did a poll on the year 10 boys in or class to find out their opinions on promiscuous girls as a warning to us.
  • In year 9, a teacher telling a girl that she'd heard all about what she did with the boy in the older year and doing the blow job sign. The teacher had shouted it down the bus and was laughing about it.
  • Again in year 10 and 11, teachers always talking about sex as if the assumption was we would all have had it already including laughing at silly questions in biology.
  • Adults and other parents openly talking about sex in front of us - I have memories of someone's parents talking about how you can tell a woman is faking it and I was 11.
  • Kissing a boy I'd just met at a party when I was 16. While outside, someone's dad came and groped my breasts (sexually assaulted me) and the other adults only chastised me for being slutty.
  • By 11 and 12, every girl I knew experienced grown men wolf-whistling at them or saying disgusting comments and the reaction was just that men are disgusting or "only after one thing" without any acknowledgement of the fact we were children.
  • By 14, I knew several girls with boyfriends in their 30s. Ironically, some of the other 14 year olds found this weird, although the majority found it cool. None of the adults seemed to care one bit.

In comparison, I currently know a 12 year old who isn't allowed to boil the kettle and a 14 year old who is asked not to eat when she's home alone in case she chokes to death.

x2boys · 22/05/2025 13:59

Sdpbody · 22/05/2025 13:56

I believe that the inclusion of children with SEN in mainstream school has been the biggest mistake to have ever happened to education.

It negatively affects not only the SEN children who simply cannot cope in the setting, but hugely affects teachers well being, happiness and ability to teach as well as negatively affecting the other children who are often disrupted, frightened or hurt.

And often it's not actually inclusion paticularly if they are segregated most of the time from their,peers I wouldn't want that for my child he goes to a special school where he's fully included in everything.

Katypp · 22/05/2025 13:59

14 Just because you work in the public sector, it does not automatically follow you can earn £££s more in the private sector. If you are a middling sollicitor in a local authority you would probably earn less in a small legal firm in town.
Yes, you could go to a big city law firm and earn a lot more, but it's not the same job.
15 . Some benefits in the public sector are much, much better than the private sector. Retiring on a generous pension at 55 for a start.

SleeplessInWherever · 22/05/2025 14:01

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 22/05/2025 13:51

I’m not sure you understand this concept. There should be the local culture to an area. Different areas of Britain have their own native cultures. If one moves to an area you should get to understand the local traditions, norms and values. Now, of course, many of these spread throughout the nations that make up the UK.

When you move to an area, you should integrate into the local culture.

So for example, someone from London moving to a country village should support the local shop/pub. Not moan about farmers getting up at the crack of dawn and starting farming or that the church bells ring on a Sunday. As an English person they will already have an understanding of the wider customs, history, social norms and values common across England (and those across the other home nations).

If you move here from abroad it’s then one step removed. Someone from say Germany moving to that village will have and understanding of the values across the West but not necessarily local ones to England or that village

If someone moved to that village from America they would be a further step removed than the German needing to assimilate into a more European culture (taken here as being those customs, history, norms and values shared in Europe) then following the path set out for the German)

Someone moving from say Afghanistan will again be yet a further step removed removed and if they moved to that village would need to assimilate into western culture then European wide culture, British wide culture, English culture then the culture of that village.

Of course it’s more complicated than that but hopefully this sets out the issues sufficiently

Each time the culture of origin of the migrant is further removed from the local culture the more difficult it is to integrate and align your own morals, beliefs and actions with the local culture

So hope that has helped with what I meant.

So why is it important that we all share customs, morals beliefs (culture)? Well these things are the glue that holds societies together. People have similar expectations and understandings. This means that there is less conflict and division. Humans are, by instinct tribal creatures, we need ways of defining who is in our tribe (or not a threat) and those outside our tribe )potential threat) The rituals of common customs and experiences bind the tribe together.

Where cultures exist side by side the people exist side by side. Existing side by side is not a society.

Edited

Thanks for explaining.

I don’t personally believe we do have to align our morals and beliefs. We all have to follow the law, but your own belief system and what that means within the context of your life can be different (as long as it’s in line with the law).

I’m absolutely okay, for example, with my Pakistani colleague following their culture and beliefs, as long as he doesn’t break any laws. We do have different morals and opinions on some matters, and I don’t care because I don’t claim to be in his ‘tribe.’

But then to be fair that may because I don’t particularly want to be in anyone’s tribe. I’m good with the tribe in my house, life and immediate circle, but outside of that I’m not especially fussed about being in the British/Cheshire/My street tribe!

90sbab8 · 22/05/2025 14:03

Perimenopause doesn't exist. So sick of seeing it on here, and why have I only heard of this within the last few years?! Every time I see or hear that word all I can think of is Nando's perinaise.....

ExercicenformedeZ · 22/05/2025 14:07

blacksantanapkin · 22/05/2025 13:50

Men shouldn’t work in obstetrics and gynaecology

Bullshit. Just nonsense. The worst gynaecologist I ever had was female.

TheMel · 22/05/2025 14:08

5 Progressive taxation is immoral. While I understand it's possibly the only way for the state to get enough funding, and perhaps necessity trumps morality, it is still highly unethical and immoral.

There should be a flat tax across the board, with maybe a higher amount of personal allowance to make it easier for poor people. But once you start paying taxes it should be the same percentage no matter how much you earn.

arcticpandas · 22/05/2025 14:09

WaffleParty · 21/05/2025 22:40

Jk Rowling can spin a good yarn and I thank her for getting so many children enthused about reading, but she is not a good human being and it worries me that so many women follow her slavishly.

Sourdough bread is just cardboard with a hefty price-tag.

It’s perfectly fine to stick your children in front of the telly from time to time.

Ha, I don't read JKR but I think she's a very decent human being risking her popularity to defend women all over the world.

Fresh sourdough bread with butter is delicious but way too expensive if you don't make your own.

Agree with you about the telly though.

ExercicenformedeZ · 22/05/2025 14:10

90sbab8 · 22/05/2025 14:03

Perimenopause doesn't exist. So sick of seeing it on here, and why have I only heard of this within the last few years?! Every time I see or hear that word all I can think of is Nando's perinaise.....

Agree. It is all just menopause. 'Perimenopause' is just a buzzword which has been jumped on as a bandwagon by businesses in order to part fools from their money. It is also an excuse for women in their forties to be bitchy and horrible. 'It's not me, it's me hormones'. I pity those women's husbands. No wonder a lot of men in their forties and fifties prefer younger women if all of us over forty are going to turn into viragoes.

FairPlayer274 · 22/05/2025 14:11

90sbab8 · 22/05/2025 14:03

Perimenopause doesn't exist. So sick of seeing it on here, and why have I only heard of this within the last few years?! Every time I see or hear that word all I can think of is Nando's perinaise.....

Wdym “it doesn’t exist?” It’s the period of time between menarche and menopause, closer to the latter, when your hormones levels start dropping and your menses come more infrequently/irregular. Some people experience different symptoms from the hormone drop, like hot flashes, mood volatility, fatigue, or vaginal dryness.

Menopause is after you’ve had your last period and you no longer menstruate.

BeJollyEagle · 22/05/2025 14:12

nameobsessed · 22/05/2025 09:51

I’m not that PP but I moved out at that age, was already with my husband and gone no contact with my remaining parent. I was an adult at that 16. I would never want my own child to go through that but I absolutely don’t treat 16 year olds like children.

Maybe look at what I had originally said and posted after

blacksantanapkin · 22/05/2025 14:13

ExercicenformedeZ · 22/05/2025 14:07

Bullshit. Just nonsense. The worst gynaecologist I ever had was female.

Oh yes I’m not denying there are terrible female ones too. They also shouldn’t be practicing.

I just don’t think it’s a great loss that men are disappearing from the profession and will soon be extinct.

LoveItaly · 22/05/2025 14:14

Accipe · 22/05/2025 12:32

Corporation pop was our phrase in the NW in the 1950s and 1960s, especially when the pop man who delivered was due. Along with milk, bottles of pop were probably the earliest form of deliveroo!

My Aunty lived in Stoke and she had pop delivered with her milk, too. That’s where we got a taste for it, it was banned in our house!

ERthree · 22/05/2025 14:14

That a child being ND doesn't give parents an excuse to let them away with murder.

That women should stop being Madonna's. You choose to have a child, you are not the first and not the last so get on with it unless you really do have real PND.

That children gain so much from being home with a parent, don't kid yourself they don't.

BeJollyEagle · 22/05/2025 14:18

NattyTurtle59 · 22/05/2025 10:05

I started full time work three weeks after my 16th birthday, I was NOT a child.

I don’t think you have read actually all my comments. But they are certain stuff you can’t do drink alcohol, get married, vote, buy a house, can’t drive. So in the eyes of the law yes you are still a child. But read the rest of my comments 🙄

ExercicenformedeZ · 22/05/2025 14:21

The obsession with UPFs is very aspirational lower middle class. Upper class people don't bother about that: they stay thin by eating very little but when they do eat, a lot of it is quite 'beige' (also a lower middle class expression) Same with people who insist on shoes off in the house.

Arraminta · 22/05/2025 14:22

That IVF shouldn't be available on the NHS. No one has 'a right' to have a child.

ExercicenformedeZ · 22/05/2025 14:23

blacksantanapkin · 22/05/2025 14:13

Oh yes I’m not denying there are terrible female ones too. They also shouldn’t be practicing.

I just don’t think it’s a great loss that men are disappearing from the profession and will soon be extinct.

My point is that gender has nothing to do with how good one is at being a gynaecologist or any other kind of doctor. That sounds like the old idea that a woman couldn't be any kind of doctor at all.

Arraminta · 22/05/2025 14:25

That trans women can never, ever be women. These men just have a fetish, that's all.

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