To think that female prison officers who fall in love with inmates are idiots?

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Following on from my romance scammers thread, I'd like to see the justifications for this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxqlneeng7o.amp

You're being disgenuous.

That's not to say that women don't abuse their positions, they obviously do but whichever way you look at it and however you look at it, male/female and female/male relationships are a lot different.

Yup. They make their own decisions and need to live with the consequences.

I’m all for men guarding men and women only guarding women.

I think that people who join to be a prison officer anyway can't be doing it for the love of justice

I just assume a lot of sign ups are connected to the criminals

They all receive corruption training so yes its not that simple. There a lot of factors which make someone vulnerable to this (individual, along with the culture) and in the current state of the service, there is minimal proper selection. Warning signs once in post are not picked up. I agree that the age should not be as low as it is. I also have little sympathy for the male officers trafficking in drugs for money, which also absolutely happens. I work in a prison in a non operational but prisoner facing role and these things impact us all reputationally, the vast majority of us would never even contemplate it.

Officers are just that. Not there to have personal relationships with the inmates but guard them and take care of their welfare during incarceration.

If they're of naive tendencies then it’s perfectly plausible a manipulative sociopathic narcissist inmate could be charming enough to lure them into their lair. It’s not an excuse but let’s not forget prison isn’t full of mingers, good looking criminals do exist.

What does “officers are just that” mean?

They are not just there to “guard” and take care of prisoners welfare at all. No wonder it’s the most forgotten and misunderstood service if this is how people who have actually been through the gates see Officers and their duties.

I am a young ish woman working with prisoners. The type of role I do does not have more than 10% men in the workforce and is essential for rehabilitation and management of risk. I'm regularly alone with them, in an appropriate context. I've never once considered abusing my position of trust. It's not as simple as keeping women out of male prisons. But I do agree something needs to be done

It’s what happens when you create a crisis in prison staff recruitment by actively trying to encourage young women into the role. It’s utterly ridiculous and a recipe for disaster but common sense and reason have gone out the window. Bringing these totally unsuitable candidates into the role just drives out the seasoned veterans exacerbating the crisis.

What no one wants to acknowledge is that women are vulnerable to male attention no matter who it is from including the worse prisoners. MN is literally a catalogue of women being romantically involved with men they know to be bad eggs but they still get involved despite knowing deep down it’s the wrong decision. No one wants to admit it but we are all controlled by our hormones. That’s literally the point of them.

The only way to prevent this from happening in prisons is to have all male prison officers.

I do find it baffling, and I agree that the prison system - like the wider justice system - is running on fumes, and many things including training is barely hanging by a thread. I've seen reports where those in training are meant to learn all their communication skills for their job just by observing others while they work... no overt training.

Some of these may be women who fell for the same performance women outside of the justice system fall for - people starting relationships with people in prison for violent crimes is not unheard of; some of these will intentional for various reasons, many already mentioned.

I would be cautious assuming a woman in authority isn't very able to take advantage of others, including men, particularly when we consider that a significant portion of people in prison have learning disabilities. Some of them can be very manipulative - I've very much seen the switch in an inmate when their mark walks into the room - but when I consider that the prison population includes those that have been deemed not cognitively fit/capable to put in a plea, yeah I can see how someone who wanted targets would be attracted to this type of work and would do the things we're seeing.

Fuck me 😅 you’d have a coronary if you knew how many unsuitable male officers become bent.

You’re right about unsuitable candidates being recruited. And that experienced staff are leaving in droves. In fact they all left on the same day over 10 years ago when they were offered a no brainer of a package.

Decent female officers do not deserve to be tarred with the same brush as any bent scumbag, whether they be male, female, old, young, naive or calculating.

I agree with the “stop infantilising women” comments. This woman erred. Maybe she fell in love, maybe she was swayed by money or the thrill. Anyway, wherever her reasons, she is a functioning adult who knew the rules when she signed up. Plenty of women working capably in prisons manage not to bang a convict. It’s not difficult.

I agree that women guards should only be used in female prisons and male ones in mens wings. It is very hard to recruit officers, the pay is poor and it is unpopular work. I read that last year 700 prison officers were recruited from Nigeria most without experience, people can come on Skilled Worker Visa. Many thought that accommodation would be provided and in one place the recruits set up a tent camp in a wood. Apparently, people are not vetted for the job like they used to be and training time has been reduced a lot. Often officers are recruited online with no in person interview. It all sounds ripe for lax standards and corruption.
Why on earth any of these women want to have sex with these total scum bags is a mystery to me.Many of the men have been convicted of sexual crimes. The recent case of the female Prison governor who has been convicted of having an affair with a drug Lord (someone responsible for untold misery, violence, trafficking etc.) just seems baffling to me. What sort of people are being recruited, do they use the same recuiters as the Met?

I think it’s poor management too

they will come into contact with very manipulative individuals and need protection

and some will find their egos are boosted by the attention they receive

I have worked with staff that are far too over familiar with forensic mh patients (often having to have discussions about boundaries) and refused to employ permanently one bank worker as she obviously enjoyed the attention she got from male patients. I was not surprised to hear that she applied to work at a prison I just hope they picked up on this

Oh come on- vulnerable teenage boy, vs convicted adult male inmate.

I was a prison officer for 18 years. Prisoners can be very manipulative and it only takes one little thing that may seem innocent to you and they've got you.

I was asked so many times to bring contraband in, and some officers did give in, then ended up being bribed to do all sorts.

Also a lot of the prisoners are very good looking and physically fit. I can see why very young officers have their head turned. I can't think of anything worse than being with a prisoner, but they can be very flattering!

having female staff on male wards or prisons is known to reduce violence

in both cases it can also raise issues iits about management and the right staff

The fact is that quite a lot of women find the capacity for violence an attractive thing in men. Which I suppose is some lizard brain artefact. And some women are particularly attracted to that in criminal types.

Many women are enjoy positive sexual attention from men.

The whole "rebel reformed by love" is a huge romantic trope, one that dominates women's pornography romance novels.

In my experience quite a lot of otherwise fairly competent women can have these kinds of feelings, I've seen it in nurses surprisingly often. I wouldn't be surprised if it might be part of the interest in being prison guards for some women.

It's believed a large proportion of these men are highly manipulative and personality disordered. There will be lots of sociopaths in there.

This lady has significant amounts of facial alterations going on ( fillers and Botox I can see from the pictures at least). So there's a humungous sign on her back through appearance and behaviour and youth probably, that said she's a good target.

I stand by the point I’ve made. You can’t pick and choose when a 21 year old woman is vulnerable.

I think they're often Jordan-esque types that purposefully go into a job where the uniform or role allows them to further objectify themselves. It's like you get those really sexy, baked women pouting at the Facebook profile camera with a few buttons popped open, fluttering their eyelashes seductively stating they're a "nurse". (They're probably an HCA or carer ) Because they think it adds further lustfullness.

So, it's usually this type that go to work in a prison. Shirt pulled in extra tight. Button undone. Black extensions flowing over the shoulder. Trousers so tight you can see their innards. Oh dear, this authoritarian prison officer fell for the charms of big, skinhead, ripped, local drug dealer Tommy. Ooooh how taboo. Gosh!

Shouldn't put attractive young women in with a load of sex starved meat heads. Ridiculous

Self-sexualisation is a symptom of sexual abuse in childhood. We should probably factor that in.

Some of my best officers are female. Some of them are young and attractive. Youth and attractiveness aren't the problem, honestly. Its a lack of common sense, and quite often an inability to own up to errors of judgement. Prison service recruitment is in a terrible state, it would be unfeasible to require only male officers to work in men's jails and females in female jails.

Having said that, I am a grumpy old bag of a certain age. I spend quite a bit of time quietly telling female staff that they are working in a prison, not going clubbing, and to tie their hair up, etc. Some of them really don't think about the effect they're having on the men. That's not victim blaming, it's risk management.

Oh come off it. Not every single "blow up doll" type has been sexually abused. Katie price said she had. Katie price also said 6 men raped her in south Africa. The camera men said differently.

Goodness me 🤣 what a load of nonsense.