To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

[Viviennemary]

What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

I am glad we left the EU, but I have to say YABU @Viviennemary There is nothing wrong with being close allies with our European cousins. Why would we not? I'm glad things are getting on friendly terms again. It was so uncomfortable when they hated us, and shunned Teresa May.

Of course the inevitable BREXIT bashing, and attacking anyone who voted for it posts are coming in... Now THAT is groundhog day! 🙄

We need to find trade routes, especially now. It should come as no surprise that if we want to export to Europe we need to abide by their rules, like everyone else in the world has to. We aren’t special. In the same way there are rules for what we export to other parts of the world and what we put on labels etc.

If you think we can pull up the drawbridge, not trade at all then you will find yourself very poor and very hungry very quickly.

The difference under Brexit is that we now have to simply accept the rules rather than create them, you don’t get a say anymore. Pretty sure this was all pointed out before the Brexit vote, but people naively listened to multi millionaire Nige.

Exactly. I don't think it will be easy to rejoin the EU but it's worth pursuing and I think the majority of people want it.

Fishing
A new deal will keep the current status quo giving EU boats continued access to UK waters until 2038
The 2020 Brexit deal, which saw the UK regain 25% EU fishing quotas, was due to run out next year
The UK will continue to agree yearly quotas with the EU and Norway and issue licences to control who fishes in its waters
A £360m "fishing and coastal growth fund" to invest in new technology and equipment

The deal merely continues a post Brexit deal on fishing agreed by (checks notes) a Brexiteer, that needed renewing next year anyway.

I most definitely think the best countries to forge cordial links with are our nearest neighbours.

Everyone spent hours and hours of time doing just that before Brexit. Explaining trade and law and a million other things. Being told it was patronising to be right, Project Fear to extrapolate, disgusting to talk about xenophobic. Anti-democratic to talk about supermajority votes, direct democracy, advisory votes and tampering. Snobs to talk about the state of the media.

In the end people stuck their hand in the mincer anyway and complained when it wasn’t lovely for them. Now, because they’re still miserable, they want Reform. In order to be more miserable. As long as other people are miserable too.

It’s not worth it.

What, like the regulation to keep beaches clean?

Hope you’re enjoying your local beach now you’ve left the EU and they’re riddled with sewage and sanpro.

You did not, ever, at any point live under EU Law. Clearly you don't know enough about either EU law or that of England & Wales.

OP has been gifted a new username! WeirdGrumpyIsolationistIslandMonkey (I'd take it myself, but I didn't vote Brexit.)

Climate change, which I'm fairly certain posters like @Clavinova and @Viviennemary dispute because they know more about it than fisheries scientists, means there are more and more invasive species in our waters which, particularly in southern Britain, are displacing traditional catches. E.g. the so called octopus invasion. The people of the UK have no appetite for octopus. It therefore makes enormous sense for those who catch the octopus to be able to export easily to countries where they do like eating octopus, instead of relying on the lobsters which are being displaced.

Small example.

Reform et al never accepted the result of the first EU referendum in 1975.

Bless you OP, your posts demonstrate the eloquence, factual reasoning, comprehension and grasp of geography that we have come to expect from so many of those who voted Leave.

How many times on this thread do you reckon I'm going to need to paste the fishing quote?

'We'll ask you again...!'
CF!
Starmer's selling us out!

A tenner says half a dozen.

This is not entirely true. EU Regulations (as opposed to Directives) had direct effect on the UK. Even Directives basically had to be transposed by Parliament, although they occasionally gave us some scope for "creative" implementation.

However it is true that the UK's influence in EU law making was massively downplayed and where we fell short it was generally a result of our own incompetence rather than anything to do with the EU.

Can you let us know which oppressive EU laws you've lived under that you personally object to? Take your time; we'll wait.

Lots more times I'm afraid

It's amazing the number of people in Cornwall (where I live) who voted for Brexit "because of the fishermen" without actually knowing the tiniest thing about the fishing industry.

Indeed, and what with living in a democracy neither they nor those of us who didn't get the result we wanted in 2016 have to. I know some people were under the impression that they were voting to finally settle the issue in 2016, but their misapprehension has no impact on anyone else's democratic rights.

OP doing a marvellous job of answering the question “why does everyone think Brexit/Reform voters are stupid?” 🤦🏻‍♀️

A trade agreement brings possibilities for British firms to make money and consumers to be offered more choice and hopefully quicker. This isn’t some attempt to secretly get rid of the pound and return to the EU.
It’s common sense to have good diplomatic relations with our geographic neighbours in the same way that European countries who aren’t members of the EU have. We should be looking at how they benefit from being in Europe but out of the EU not sulking in the corner pretending that all is fine.

Why not just answer the question? It's not as though it's out of the blue; you started a thread about this. It's a completely valid question. Why won't you answer which specific laws you object to?

No, she’s just really excited about all that money that came into the NHS afterwards, you know, that money that Nigel Farage promised before he pissed off the first time. He’s left it long enough now that the fools have forgotten.

That is right.

Not necessarily. I was a remainer back then but now would vote leave, I certainly wouldn’t vote to re join, I am completely disillusioned by the EU at this point in my life.