To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

[Viviennemary]

What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

What was unreasonable about Brexit was the refusal to accept the result of the Referendum. Remomaners delayed and delayed the exit to the extent they ruined it.

@Bundleflower

My apologies, I did join this thread before 19:12, and ui have already commented on your post.

Your right I was being mean and I'm sorry!

Yes this, and the fishermen being screwed over again. Housing is dire in UK. Where are all of thes Europeans under 35 going to be living? In houses we need to home our own young people and families. They are the ones who will miss out.

Really. Prey tell how ?
Will he stop the " boats" coming ?
Cause that's all bangs on about, that and his undying love for the orange twat.
By the way there were no "boats" coming when we were in the EU. Strange that . Not.
Now I guess you were being sarcastic with your post ( I hope) but had to said because I don't think the op understands.

If it was a robust idea it couldn't possibly be ruined by a delay.
That's such a weak argument.

Ruined what exactly? What was the ACTUAL vision for Brexit? Isolationism and protectionism? Empire 2.0? What? There is no more vision in Brexit than there is in MAGA.

If they’ve managed to piss off a muppet like you then finally they must be doing something right. Aren’t their some kids outside you can moan at for being near your lawn?

The idea that "Starmer and others like him never accepted the Brexit vote"... because "we are not bright enough to decide ourselves" is I am sorry to tell you fucking true. And for very good reasons, because some people seriously aren't bright enough to know when they have been conned. We have lost £32 billion a year as a result of Brexit. £32 billion a year, that sink in. And you know those boats which every Farage fan bleats on about that need to be stopped. Well, in the two years before Brexit guess how many people arrived in UK to claim asylum on boats: 9. That's people not boats. Just 9 people in two years. Nobody talked about stopping boats until after Brexit. What to know why? Since we left the EU we no longer have access to data bases which tell us important info about refugees. One being we don't know if they have been refused asylum elsewhere or indeed where they might be from. We used to, we don't now. And every failed asylum seeker heads our way because they know our system is overwhelmed and we have to start the whole process of discovery from scratch. That's Brexit. And you know what, clever people knew this would happen and tried to warn others that this would happen. But they decided they knew best. Well you didn't.

I take it if you have children you didn’t claim maternity pay?

No need to be so condescending.

My mistake - I did actually know we had a veto in a limited number of specific policy areas including foreign and security policy. I copied in haste rather than not understanding.

Your second quote literally demonstrates the exact point I was making so maybe you again don't understand

My second quote was to demonstrate that the UK saw the bonus cap as a threat to the UK's finance industry - an important part of our economy.

Your third quote, I am not going to lie I have no idea what it is supposed to demonstrate on the subject of whether the UK had the ability to influence UK legislation but I am certainly looking forward to your explanation

My third quote was self explanatory;

Ah, yes, Gordon Brown - the European Commission helped him lose the 2010 election.

Did you miss the bit where they’re our biggest trade partner? As in we sell more things to them than anyone else?

I’m going out in a limb to assume you don’t run a business, especially one that exports anything.

The thing i strongly disagree with is that Starmer doesn’t have to go to parliament for a vote on it I can’t understand why he is the only one that makes the decision.
MPs should take guidance from there constituents and then vote on it.

I will try one more time before I give up for the night - what, in your own words instead of yet another copy and pasted and barely relevant article you have just Googled, do you think demonstrates the UK had no meaningful influence on EU law besides us losing on an extremely minor financial stability measure which was a tiny part of a much wider Directive on which the UK received many concessions?

Why don't you want want the UK to resume trading with our closest and largest economic market? Do you understand economic agreements and future policy? Without Europe we are sunk.

Well said, Brexit has caused so much harm , I wish we had never left

Actually sorry one more question because this is something I worked on very closely. I would also like you to explain, in your own words, why you think the CRD IV bonus cap was specifically a "threat" to the "finance industry" as you put it as opposed to something that was merely misguided and possibly a bit damaging at the margins to a very limited subset of it.

ohthatmissmith
We have lost £32 billion a year as a result of Brexit

That's not an actual measurement - it will be an estimate based on a counterfactual/formula/what might have happened if we had not left the EU - and probably a long term estimate in any case.

in the two years before Brexit guess how many people arrived in UK to claim asylum on boats: 9.
Since we left the EU we no longer have access to data bases which tell us important info about refugees

We had access throughout the transition year (2020) when over 8,000 arrived by small boat. In 2019 nearly 2,000 - we had access then.

The EU have had a considerable rise in the number of asylum seekers as well;

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Asylum_statistics&oldid=558844

mutinyonthetwix
I will try one more time before I give up for the night

I'd give up if I were you - I'm just making tea.

This is an absolute scandel and he need to be outed NOW! This is a massive betrayal but did we expect anything less, let's be honest! You OWN children are struggling for work and he is allowing 18 to 30 year old to enter freely, MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!

Those who voted Liebour are the problems, honestly, you'd have to have issues to have voted for them.

The sooner Reform UK is in the maybe we will have a country that puts the UK first FOR ONCE!

Bloop

Ok Dear.

Yabvu. The whole thing has been a shit show with absolutely zero advantage to this country. It was a trading bloc and we lost our free movement too. It's a sad and sorry situation.

Some estimates are that Brexit has cost us more than £32 billion a year. And there are some losses that can't be quantified in cash terms but are nonetheless significant losses. The collaboration of scientists for example.

You are right that the EU has had a rise in asylum seekers, as have most developed nations as a result of wars, and climate change. The acceptance of refugees as genuine asylum seekers has also reduced in several EU nations, particularly France. The rise of the number of people arriving by boats is partly explained by this. However, post Brexit it is true that the UK doesn't have the access they used to, to discover the routes refugees took into Europe or if they were refused access elsewhere.

The pre-Brexit deal that the UK had as an EU member state was the very definition of having your cake and eating it. YABVVU

Ah, this is not a genuine post, you are a journalist perhaps, hoping to drum up a quote through a quick mumsnet thread.