To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

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What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

Brexit tanked the economy and made us poorer. However I didn't factor in the fish, silly me.

@Iceboy80 you seem to have mistaken mumsnet for X - except forgot to add a few flags -

@Donsyb- lol!! No shit Sherlock

Think you're on the wrong site to be airing this OP. I'm absolutely agreeing with you but, you won't get any support on here. The country is sleepwalking into a nightmare

I genuinely believe that some people did have the best interests of the U.K. at heart when they voted, but the majority voted more on emotion and headlines regarding immigration etc. people unfortunately followed the rubbish spouted about immigrants taking their jobs. However, so many lazy, entitled Brits don’t actually want the jobs. Look at the mess we were in when cheap labour disappeared, we had veg rotting in the fields, despite farmers offering upwards of £20 per hour for people to pick them.

Respectfully, I feel reading some actual info and not the Daily Mail/Telegraph might make you reassess this position.

As it’s bollocks

In what way?

Please explain your viewpoint with actual examples as I’m interested in understanding it

Thank you for so succinctly pointing out the benefits of a robust and well funded education system

Try reading this OP

link.news.inews.co.uk/view/61092901b57d1c40145768a0ns9qu.cjm/e5286d7b

I think I love you @mutinyonthetwix❤️

What does ‘putting the UK first’ look like to you? Just curious.

I will definitely be peed off if we end up accepting their ruling again, we all knew things were going to be worse before they can be better. Our parents were never given the choice to become a part of the EU, it was forced on them. Originally, we were supposed to just be a common market with Europe, not be ruled by a European dictatorship. Yes, we are technically a part of Europe, but we are our own sovereignty and should NEVER have given away our rights to outside leaders!

Brexit should never have happened. The country is falling apart

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I was never aware that we were ruled by anyone else, everything was OK. It hasn't been OK since we left the EU. What do our parents have to do with it?

Starmer is trying to negotiate our way back because the GBP is asking him to. Don't forget, Brexit was only successful by a very small margin, many people not voting because they thought it was a given that we would stay. Since then, so many Brexiteers have changed their minds.

It's not going to be easy to re-enter but I for one hope it will happen.

How old are you Op? Do you care for economy and jobs for young people?

Bit like what Westminster does to Scotland and Wales?

I’d suggest most strongly that those relieved that ‘they’ no longer have control of ‘our’ laws take a quick skim through the Parliamentary law making chapter and then the EU Law chapter of any accessible GCSE Law textbook (can’t recommend a lower level, sorry) and get a basic grip of the facts. You’ll probably have time while you’re waiting for an appointment in the understaffed NHS now our European brethren are no longer welcome.

But you know, blue passport ‘n all.

He is right about brexiters not being bright enough.

Such a weird point of view to frame our relationship with the EU back when we were members as “them” and “us”.

There was only “us” as we were a member, same as all the other members.

If you join a club you become part of the club, you become a “we”.

And that is exactly why you get nowhere with your arguments. Argue on the issues by all means but dismissing 17.4 million people as stupid is not wise or true. Just because you don't agree with us doesn't make us stupid. And it is counter productive. If you call someone stupid they are very unlikely to ever come round to your way of thinking. Look at America. The democrats made a big issue of Republicans being ignorant and look how that turned out.
If only remainers would accept that there were valid reasons for voting either way we might have more productive discussions about the way forward.

But you still have foreigners working in service industry. Difference is they come from outside EU.

But any democratic vote happens every few years. First, the said referendum was advisory, secondly there was a high % of elderly voters. 9 years later, perhaps it's a good idea to revisit that decision. Has it really help, and do people still want to be out of EU. Why are Brexiters so insecure? Are they exceptionally rich that they are insular to decades of economic decline in the country?
Are you a wealthu landlord or trader by any chance?

If you’re prepared to vote against the interests of you and your loved ones just because a stranger online calls you stupid, doesn’t that make you kind of stupid? Or am I missing something?

So who do you propose we do business with? Trump? Hahahahaha, yeah, good luck with that....he's cheated and betrayed allies and partners at every turn. I wouldn't trust him for the time of day. We are a small, weak nation, and we have surely discovered already the financial consequences of trying to go it alone.