To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

[Viviennemary]

What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

The brexit vote was very close. Now many brexit voters would vote remain. I don’t know any remain voters who would vote to leave. If we had another vote since it’s nearly ten years since the last vote, people would probably vote remain. We need to be part of Europe for our safety and trade.

Take it to the ballot box!

It’s funny, though, isn’t it @Viviennemaryhow the NHS isn’t getting an extra £350m a week, how UK trade is not flourishing and how there’s more paperwork and bureaucracy when we travel to the EU than ever before.

I have seen zero positives from Brexit. Please do point out any you see.

I don’t get it! Not really impressed with any politicians but considering BrEXshit was the biggest example of cutting your nose off to spite your face IN HISTORY!! Do you not
want to try and salvage something from this disaster? I take it you’re enjoying paying more money for food and clothes and adore the extra long queue at the airport? I won’t even go into the economic disaster itself 🤦🏻‍♀️

If you had bothered to continue listening, we are only governed by EU laws to the extent that there is a dispute about whether EU food standards have been complied with. These standards are set by the EU; a UK court would have no jurisdiction to decide one way or another

Surely the OP realises that this was a ridiculous referendum that should never have happened. Cameron just shrugged his shoulders and created a ridiculous situation where two polar ends went up against each other. The answer always truly lay in the middle, but he couldn't be arsed to work through the complexity. In doing this he set neighbour against neighbour, family member against family member, all for what would always have been the wrong result on either side. Both sides at their extreme were untenable - things couldn't be left as they were either. It was the biggest and most expensive act of folly until Johnson went hunting for PPE.

Then there is the stark truth that a large slice of the Leave brigade have realised since the referendum that they that they were lied to by the Leave press and politicians. In fact, they know they were told enormous whoppers about the benefits of coming out. The OP can be as angry as they like - if that referendum were run again today, the Remainers would have it and quite convincingly. The Leavers wouldn't be celebrating a victory today.

If the OP has to be angry, they should perhaps be angry at Cameron for being so unutterably lazy and at the Tories for not doing what was promised in all that time they had after that point. But really, they should just accept they're now in the minority and find a way to point their energy at something where they can make a difference. In 2025 there is so much to choose from that isn't right - pointing anger at this deal is a real waste of time, energy and emotion. And please God, no more referendums. Politicians shouldn't be allowed to toss the most complicated stuff to the People. We pay them enough to do their job - with this we fed the dog handsomely on the most expensive Vet-approved nosh, and had to do all the barking too.

Fishing is 0.03% of our economy! It’s a ridiculous issue to justify the economic suicide of Brexit.

And this is why this argument is awful.

Why are those who voted Brexit 'idiots' because you think we should have voted to stay in. why do you need to insult them, just because they have an opinion you don't agree with

I didn't vote for Brexit, but I can understand why many people did, we were subject to EU regulation prior to 2020, that is true.

We were bound by environmental legislation, we were bound by various tax rules, on things such as VAT.

If you are an EU member state you have to abide by EU Charters.

Why are people idiots for wanting UK Parliament to have more control over what our country does.

Now if you want to debate how well Brexit has been implemented sure, plenty to be said there!

I've lived in Brussels for 40 years and can't believe some of the ignorant comments on here. We were just as fed up with hearing about Brexit as people in the UK were and were so relieved when it was over. I know this is going to sound petty but I would have been happy if I'd never had to hear about the UK and its relationship with the EU ever again.

It's called a trade agreement, UK is not part of eu it is making a trade agreement with eu, just like it did with America. You can't name one eu law you didn't want so can you name one brexit benefit that's not the generic "we can make are own laws".?

He cannot go it alone, and has called for backup.

I for one rue the day we voted for brexit. ( and when I say ‘we’ I of course mean the rest of the uk. Scotland did not vote to leave ( but democracy being the least bad system means we get swept along ))

it was a moment of madness. The public understandably mistrust politicians but in sticking it to the man we imposed economic sanctions on ourselves.

The idiocy now is to leave the European court of human rights. How is this even feasible, to leave the one domain which guarantees basic rights to all.

let’s get rid of the right wing and get back to politics and politicians who have some intrinsic worth. Rejoin Europe and pretend this whole sorry saga never happened:)

Can you tell us anything we’ve gained? I’ve yet to hear a tangible benefit. And don’t say sovereignty…the countries of the EU already have that. You’ve repeated EU law…what exactly does that even mean. Which law?
Personally, I’m not bothered about my blue passport but I’ve become increasingly sick of the very people I know who voted out saying that all the things we shot ourselves in the foot with are the EUs fault. Watching how trump has talked about the rest of the world reminds me of us. And again the brexiteers I know are horrified by his rhetoric and are now boycotting US goods 🤦🏻‍♀️
Name a law that’s enforced by the EU, and I don’t mean the one about bendy bananas.
then free movement, again pensioners and often brexiteers whinging on about how their stays are reduced because of the EU- we did that.
You could ask the business owners who have been crippled by tariffs, the ports trying to deal with miles and miles of border queues.
I watched an interview taken of a lady on the night we left. She said now we can sing our own nursery rhymes again…what??? It’s up there with ‘they’re’ trying to ban Christmas plays (‘they’ aren’t btw, no one is)
taking away choice to work and study abroad from our own children, or making it very difficult. Who wouldn’t want that aspiration for their kids, because free movement goes both ways-we did that too. I could go on, I really could. But I can’t be bothered.
I did so back in 2016 and a lit of it has come true, but Boris the straw haired kn*bhead was so much more appealing than the actual facts.
Don’t complain that the lie you were sold, and continue to peddle didn’t work. It’s about time someone in authority said enough is enough

Absolutely spot on!

Sorry should have clarified VAT on energy Bills.

We still have it because the conservatives decided post Brexit to keep to pay for green subsidies.

I admit, that the conservatives made a hash of Brexit, I haven't said they've done a good job.

I just want to know why in these sorts of conversations we need to throw insults around.

For two reasons, it's just not nice.
Secondly you won't convince anyone of your position if you preface it with, hey your an idiot and here's why

I'm not suggesting Brexit is great.

I'm suggesting let's not throw insults around at people who have different opinions.

It won't make then want to share more of their opinions

We aren’t that great independent Island anymore

I sympathise with those who voted for Brexit due to concerns over EU meddling and immigration. But Labour is just trying to make trade a bit easier. Some of the "soft Brexit" options on the table before we left the EU kept us tied more closely to the EU than this!

It’s so embarrassing when people exclaim
”but they didn’t do Brexit right”- it’s like, did you not listen to the financial experts at the time? This IS Brexit being done right! It was always going to be the absolute, money pit of a disaster that it is. But hey, at least people don’t have to live near foreigners 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ (oh wait, Brexit has also caused immigration to go up 🤣)

Voted for on “false” information. Innies always say the outies were “misinformed!”, like we didn’t have our own minds! 🙄

Actually it's not the EU who decide our fishing quota. You really don't seem to know much about any of this apart from some sweeping Daily Mail headlines.

When you have a referendum you go with the majority. Yes it was a small
majority but it is still valid.

These people never can though. They’ve had 9 years and they cannot come up with anything positive

I don’t think I’ve insulted anyone. Apart from boris. I’d happily see him locked in a tower because all this was about his ego. just that nobody can ever state a benefit or something we’ve gained