To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

[Viviennemary]

What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

I don't think it would stop them sharing brexit benefits if there were any.

VAT on school fees maybe?

I have no problem with people who voted leave at the time, but I am struggling with people who still think it's a good idea.

The rise in living costs is not because of brexit lmao it’s because of the war. 🤣🤦🏻‍♀️

It's because of many inter related issues not just brexit and not just the war but both

I don't get why some people hear about a trade agreement with our closest neighbour geographically and because it's Europe get their knickers in a twist.

I was furious too.

Though will take in all the details before anything further.

Your post doesn't give me a huge amount of faith in your understanding of the economic situation to be honest.

Despite you laughing your arse off and stuff.

As do we all. And Brexit has achieved that.

However we DO need good trading links with Europe.

Having said that, I am appalled at the concessions Starmer has made on fishing quotas.

True, also much of the fish we give them is the stuff we don’t like to eat. Fishing has been decimated by Brexit

It's like a kind of warped Pavlovian reflex. They hear the word "Europe" in any context and the red mist descends.

There’s safety in numbers. I’d rather be a part of the EU than be Trump’s little slave when it comes to defence. The UK doesn’t generate enough of anything to exist in isolation. EU law was never imposed on the uk … it was absorbed into our legal system… since leaving the EU we have lost billions in subsidies … and the economy is 2.5% less than it would’ve been had we stayed in. Cameron was an arse to give the ill informed public a vote about which nobody knew the consequences. I live in Lincolnshire and deal with food manufacturers and farmers who are genuinely struggling to reconcile and deal with the financial implications concerning the fact we left Europe… given that Lincolnshire provides a sizeable portion of homegrown food for UK I think we should listening to them and worrying about how we can get back in to a place which, whilst not perfect was a damn sight better than the economic shambles we have at the moment. Most people who voted out are dead now .. and they voted that way because of misinformation.
What was it specifically that annoyed you OP about being in Europe? Defence? Food? Labour force? Immigration? Foreign footballers?

I’m laughing because of people’s narrow minds.

That's a bit rich given your posts.

Sorry specifically which rules? I am sure you must have a fair few examples to be so angry and upset about this ? Here is your moment to sway some more people. Which EU rules specifically are we talking?

Of course! because Brexit has been such a phenomenal success🙄
We are poorer, dumber and less secure because of the leave vote.
Besides, did you see how Brexit solved the immigration problem? No? Me neither.
Spend your time reading facts instead of listening to scumbags like Nigel Farage!
Brexit was a huge, dumb, idiot choice people made based on lies they heard on Facebook.
Real facts are free, you just have to find them.

Found this interesting You Gov poll which seems to suggest you might be in a minority when not wanting closer ties to Europe, OP

yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51484-how-do-britons-feel-about-brexit-five-years-on

The EU is basically a lot of hardworking bureaucrats working in committees for the good of its members. Then you have the odd fraud elected like Farage, who was notorious for not attending committees, not doing the work, and then complaining about anything and everything during his time in the EU. A real disingenuous showboater of a man.

@keffie12 oh and don’t forget it’s cost £400 billion - we have paid an absolute fortune to make everything worse and to a large extent made us uninvestable unless it’s for a very uk centric operation with a large enough market purely within the UK - because why not go to Netherlands or Germany or Sweden or Spain etc - where you have access to the whole EU without jumping through costly hoops and red tape. We basically just handed our competitors a ton of good quality business on a plate - .

So you are a smug Londoner / south east not a poor fisherman?

I think you’ve been brainwashed by the Daily Mail. We’ve never been bullied by the EU. When we were in, we had a voice at the table just like everyone else. Now we’re out, we have to rely on persuasion and negotiation. Honesty try a bit of critical thinking instead of letting Farage and the Daily Fail do it for you

Laurmolonlabe
Nigel Farage himself was an EU fat cat as Euro MP for over 20 years before he having the brilliant idea of backing Brexit-people also completely forget that.

To be fair, Nigel Farage won his seat in the European Parliament in 1999 for the UK Independence Party - the clue is in the name.

I want free movement back. Brexit has been catastrophic for the economy. Admit it nothing has improved this so called money they were sending to the EU they were going to pump into the NHS hasn’t materialised. Hospitals have massive shortages of equipment and it’s partly down to we rely on imports from the EU.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Crikeyalmighty
oh and don’t forget it’s cost £400 billion

Do you have a link?

But specifically what EU laws? Many of the current UK laws are based on EU laws, which clearly you don’t understand! Here’s a thing why not move to the US, you sound exactly the sort of migrant the orange buffoon wants! I for one are happy with closer ties and the fact it will be easier to export to the EU!

And staff as many EU workers chose to go back home!