To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

[Viviennemary]

What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

If you can't engage with any of the responses or facts, what's the point of posting? You just keep saying the same simplistic things over and over with seemingly no ability to absorb anything or flesh out your positions. It's almost like you're either (dare I say it) not very smart or just trying to be goady.

Once we stopped paying the membership fee of £8bn per year, our GDP dropped between £100bn and £140bn.

Its quite simple. The membership fee was worth it 15 times over for what we got back.

I’m embarrassed for you, your lack of knowledge is astounding!

And yet, this was the main conclusion of the article.

You started the comparison, not me.

I would have preferred a customs union, which I think if what it means was explained in detail, most people would support. However, Labour did make it clear last year it was not on the table.

A whole laundry list of business organisations disagrees with you. Business was hard hit by your precious Brexit. Especially small businesses. Don't you want success for small British companies?

An article in a right wing pro Brexit publication, supported by some of the wealthiest in the UK. How unbiased must they be!

The EU's long-distance trade in farm animals exposed,' animals often experience significant suffering during long journeys, where they are overcrowded in overloaded trucks, experiencing exhaustion, dehydration, and a progressive increase in stress as the journey is prolonged.....

What was the 'main conclusion'?

If a pro-Brexit right wing article happens to be correct with the facts, what, should I just dismiss the truth because it happens to be published in a pro-Brexit right wing article?

In addition to the article, I have real life experience, fortunately or unfortunately.

Exactly!

Who knew The Spectator was now championing the interests of the underprivileged or are they just enjoying their journalistic authority without worrying about the constraints of fairness, objectivity, and responsibility.

That's an erudite argument supported by plenty of facts. Well done, you.

@Hwi in that case I expect you to be totally championing accurate features in the Mirror and the Guardian and Private Eye

And in exchange we sold the fish we British do not like and we were able to get it to them quickly. We could enter a country without queuing for hours and perhaps for some most importantly illegal migrants could be returned to their point on entry to Europe often Italy or entry to the UK -often France.

Europe set out how we supported our farmers and how we should keep our rivers clean. It was not perfect but so much better than now.

The Spectator? No bias there then.

If a pro-Brexit right wing article happens to be correct with the facts, what, should I just dismiss the truth because it happens to be published in a pro-Brexit right wing article?

Did you type this with a straight face?

@Hwi, having read some of your contributions to other threads over the last while, it’s very clear that wherever your ‘real life experience’ comes from, it’s not the same planet the rest of us inhabit.

@Viviennemary that is not true, we actually got a lot of money back, lots of rural and deprived areas got euro money. And we got a huge rebate.

Yes cos Brexit was working out so WELL for us all!!!

There were no benefits from Brexit and a whole load of barriers to trade for small businesses, students' study in Europe, no chance to work abroad, etc. No need to listen to the ravings of a Tory party that failed for 14 years or the ignorant comments about fishing given that Starmer has open the EU markets to UK fish and shellfish sales.

And Reform are nothing like bullies, no?

I am grateful for your attention to my posts and delighted I am out of step with the majority of the insane world, if that is indeed the case.

Riiiiiiiiight.